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13 Dec 2015, 1:05 pm

I have had a pc with Microsoft since the early 90s. I eschewed apple b/c I felt they were too controlled and I loved the Microsoft word processor which saved me from an illiterate life.

I have been extremely disappointed in the down-grading of the Microsoft processor, the constant malware infections, and the limitations currently on the network in general.

After spending a huge sum to purchase an apple laptop, will I be any happier?

What's your experience?


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13 Dec 2015, 2:58 pm

Go for Linux, you won't have to pay for the fruit brand.



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13 Dec 2015, 5:27 pm

Tollorin wrote:
Go for Linux, you won't have to pay for the fruit brand.


Agreed. Because you are used to using windows, you will probably want to use something that uses the KDE Desktop environment as the workflow is similar to the workflow that Windows has.

Also the directory structure of any UNIX is vastly differant than that of Windows. The most pertinant things to know is that /home is the UNIX analpgue to 'My Documents' and that /usr/share is where you install fonts and desktop backgrounds. One of the main tricks of UNIX is knowing that unlike Windows, you will need to set permissions on files that you install in directories other than those other than /home, and you will also have a superuser account in order to do so.


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13 Dec 2015, 5:30 pm

Thanks guys!


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13 Dec 2015, 5:37 pm

There are some nice things about Apples but there are some other things that really drive me bananas.

The biggest thing is that Apple thinks that users are too stupid to configure anything properly and so they try to do it all automagically without giving the user much in the way of options at all.



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13 Dec 2015, 5:41 pm

You can spend thousands less on equivalent laptops from anywhere else.

As an IT dude the only 2 macs I see as potentially worthwhile are the 11" macbook air and the Mac Pro, but I'm not going to lie & say anything they sell is worth the cash outlay. For one thing, slim, compact electronic stuff nearly always breaks and almost all their components & chipsets are middle of the road PC stuff.

You could hackintosh but I think you should Linux. Serms like that could stand to save you over 10,000USD.


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13 Dec 2015, 7:19 pm

Another vote for Linux, either Debian or Mint although anything will work. Avoid Arch Linux or Gentoo unless you have a deep understanding of how unix based operating systems work. You are basically getting a cheap Mac with Linux anyway as Linux is a unix clone and Mac OS is also a unix clone, I mean yeah they are different but not by much. Also what do you mean by the downgrading of the Microsoft processor? PC and Mac both use Intel processors now, they are the same in terms of hardware, PowerPC is very much a thing of the past except maybe for some embedded applications *cough* Nintendo *cough*



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15 Dec 2015, 2:24 pm

I vote none of the above, stick with MS Windows.

Games go first on the PC, and nVidia updates the PC drivers first. Can't speak for AMD/Radeon.

Do read up on how to keep Windows 10 from spying on you.



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16 Dec 2015, 3:28 am

Macs do look nice, but they are quite expensive. If you want to get away from Windows try playing around with Ubuntu for a while. You can even run many Linux distros directly from a disc/usb drive without installing it on your computer. Try a few different desktops like Unity (Used by Ubuntu), KDE, Cinnamon (Used by Mint), etc. and find one you like.



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16 Dec 2015, 9:45 am

dcj123 wrote:
Also what do you mean by the downgrading of the Microsoft processor? [/size]


Sorry about the mix up. I was referring to the word-processor program in Office (Word), which I used to love more with each upgrade, but it has now been downgraded to include a a bunch of links that don't connect making it inefficient to open and save documents. The whole Windows 10 is a disaster.


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16 Dec 2015, 2:04 pm

Tollorin wrote:
Go for Linux, you won't have to pay for the fruit brand.


Absolutely!

With Linux you have exceptional flexibility, low or no cost, and you are not hogtied by Apple(proprietary shyte, EULAs, constant tracking, ad f*****g infinitum)

Plus, Apple is expensive :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :wall: :wall: :wall:

If you need help choosing a Linux distro, the folks here know more than you could ever imagine about them. :D

Let us know what you choose to do.



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20 Dec 2015, 10:14 am

Awiddershinlife wrote:
dcj123 wrote:
Also what do you mean by the downgrading of the Microsoft processor? [/size]


Sorry about the mix up. I was referring to the word-processor program in Office (Word), which I used to love more with each upgrade, but it has now been downgraded to include a a bunch of links that don't connect making it inefficient to open and save documents. The whole Windows 10 is a disaster.


You could try using Open Office or Libre Office instead. Just remember to save all files as MS Word documents otherwise they'll be unreadable on machines using MS Word.

IMO the biggest piece of malware on a Windows system is the anti-virus software. It does nothing to protect your system and slows your computer down while filling it with adware for the latest PC tuning program. As long as you password protect the installation/removal of all software (done by default on Linux), and don't click on any dodgy links, you're good to go. The only thing you might want to have is Malware Bytes in case of emergencies.

I'm a Linux user and I've been very happy with Mint but there are solutions available that would allow you to carry on with your existing system. With Linux, you would be using Open or Libre Office anyway and Apple's iWork is thought to be inferior to both of those so you would probably end up using Open or Libre there as well.

And also, if you need to use a printer, it might be best for you to stick with Windows. Linux is notoriously difficult for installing and configuring printers and finding a compatible printer and getting it to work is a badge of honour. Apple should only be considered if you're into heavy duty graphic design/video editing.



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20 Dec 2015, 4:39 pm

EnglishInvader wrote:
Awiddershinlife wrote:
dcj123 wrote:
Also what do you mean by the downgrading of the Microsoft processor? [/size]


Sorry about the mix up. I was referring to the word-processor program in Office (Word), which I used to love more with each upgrade, but it has now been downgraded to include a a bunch of links that don't connect making it inefficient to open and save documents. The whole Windows 10 is a disaster.


I'm a Linux user and I've been very happy with Mint but there are solutions available that would allow you to carry on with your existing system. With Linux, you would be using Open or Libre Office anyway and Apple's iWork is thought to be inferior to both of those so you would probably end up using Open or Libre there as well.

And also, if you need to use a printer, it might be best for you to stick with Windows. Linux is notoriously difficult for installing and configuring printers and finding a compatible printer and getting it to work is a badge of honour. Apple should only be considered if you're into heavy duty graphic design/video editing.


MS Office works well enough in WINE. ALso, I've never had any pronter config issues, as a wide variety of printer modules are built into the stock kernel (Debian 6-8) and CUPS, and other printer utes are installed during OS installation. If you have a relatively mainstream printer to begin with, you'll have no issues, as I've had no issues with an HP Laserjet, and a Brother Laser Fax/Printer.


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21 Jan 2016, 11:27 pm

LINUX

Ubuntu is a good starting point for someone new to Linux.


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22 Jan 2016, 5:11 am

I will vote linux as well over macos if windows isn't doing it for you.

I am going to throw in a different distro and thats Zorin (it's based on ubuntu) it's designed for new users and comes ready to go.


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22 Jan 2016, 12:50 pm

IvanAufulich wrote:
LINUX

Ubuntu is a good starting point for someone new to Linux.



Linux MINT >>>> Ubuntu

Better drivers, faster internet, superior user interface.