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18 Apr 2016, 4:23 pm

What would you think of a spaceship that used concentric rings, made up of segments (each of which would be a ship capable of acting as a lifeboat in space and water landings), attached to spokes like that of a wagon wheel?


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18 Apr 2016, 6:45 pm

Iamaparakeet wrote:
What would you think of a spaceship that used concentric rings, made up of segments (each of which would be a ship capable of acting as a lifeboat in space and water landings), attached to spokes like that of a wagon wheel?


That sounds more segmented than centrifugal. For long space voyages, exercise in zero g will not really stop bone loss and muscle degeneration. It only slows it down. We need rotating space ship with the centrifugal force generated by the rotation acting as a kind of artificial gravity. Centrifugal force like gravity is proportional to the mass of the object rotating about an axis or rotation. Gravity also is proportional to the mass of the objected being pulled in by the larger body.


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18 Apr 2016, 6:54 pm

If the whole ship is a set of concentric circles, and if the whole thing rotates in unison then the outer parts would get more centrifugal force then the inner parts because they would be rotating faster (like the tire rotates faster than the hub). Ideally you want rotation at just the right speed to duplicate Earth gravity.

I suppose that you could construct it so each ring rotates independently.



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19 Apr 2016, 5:58 am

naturalplastic wrote:
If the whole ship is a set of concentric circles, and if the whole thing rotates in unison then the outer parts would get more centrifugal force then the inner parts because they would be rotating faster (like the tire rotates faster than the hub). Ideally you want rotation at just the right speed to duplicate Earth gravity.

I suppose that you could construct it so each ring rotates independently.


The tire has the same angular velocity as the hub.


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19 Apr 2016, 9:18 am

Okay, so which is it then?

What yields the centrifugal force that creates artificial gravity? Angular velocity (rpms)? Or tangential velocity(rim speed)?

Been googling just now, but cant find a clear answer.

But every science and sci fi thing I've ever read implies that its actual speed, and not angular velocity.

The axis of the scientifically proposed (or fictionally imagined) spinning cylindrical space colony is always said to be at zero G, while the inside of the outer hull wall (the floor that the folks walk on) is always supposed to be at one G( simulating Earth gravity). In between the floor and the overhead spinning axis it's supposed to be at gradually changing intermediate fractions of one G that gradually approach zero as you approach the axis of spin overhead.That's presumably because the differing distances from the spin axis move at different mph (rim speeds) even though they have the same rpm (angular velocity).



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19 Apr 2016, 9:35 am

naturalplastic wrote:
If the whole ship is a set of concentric circles, and if the whole thing rotates in unison then the outer parts would get more centrifugal force then the inner parts because they would be rotating faster (like the tire rotates faster than the hub). Ideally you want rotation at just the right speed to duplicate Earth gravity.

I suppose that you could construct it so each ring rotates independently.
In a two dimensional array as your first statement implies, the inner circles would be moving slower than the outer ones.

But, as soon as you go 3 dimensional, it's possible and probably preferable. Just don't forget the anti-rotation so it just doesn't tumble off into space or go all flippy.

As for whether it's Angular velocity and tangential velocity. I think it's actually of both, a combination of delta and momentum.


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19 Apr 2016, 11:32 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Okay, so which is it then?

What yields the centrifugal force that creates artificial gravity? Angular velocity (rpms)? Or tangential velocity(rim speed)?

Been googling just now, but cant find a clear answer.

But every science and sci fi thing I've ever read implies that its actual speed, and not angular velocity.

The axis of the scientifically proposed (or fictionally imagined) spinning cylindrical space colony is always said to be at zero G, while the inside of the outer hull wall (the floor that the folks walk on) is always supposed to be at one G( simulating Earth gravity). In between the floor and the overhead spinning axis it's supposed to be at gradually changing intermediate fractions of one G that gradually approach zero as you approach the axis of spin overhead.That's presumably because the differing distances from the spin axis move at different mph (rim speeds) even though they have the same rpm (angular velocity).


The magnitude of the force is proportional to the moment of rotation (the distance from the rotations path to the center of rotation). So the greate the radius of the rotating section the greater the centrifugal force, all other things being equal.

Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force


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