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23 Apr 2016, 10:31 pm

Do we have anyone here who special interest is ballistics and or forensics?


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24 Apr 2016, 7:28 am

Umm, I know a *little* bit about ballistics, and a bit more about forensics...

Do you have any specific questions?



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24 Apr 2016, 7:48 am

@GGPViper: The OP may be asking for your advice so that he can further investigate the death of his friend, so make sure that you present your opinions as opinions, and not as fact, and that you reference the source materials you use to arrive at your conclusions.

@Ferraluce: If this is the case, then it would be more productive to consult a professional forensics specialist, rather than random gun owners on a social website.



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24 Apr 2016, 12:37 pm

Hmm, that's a somewhat significant detail that ought to have been included in the OP, IMO...



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24 Apr 2016, 2:49 pm

True ... another option might be that he is gathering background data for yet another police procedural program, on the order of CSI and the like.

Either way, the most accurate information is essential, as even people who are not firearms enthusiasts will eventually spot the inaccuracies in an amateurish presentation - even moreso when the audience is composed of forensics scientists and police professionals.



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24 Apr 2016, 3:05 pm

Fnord wrote:
@Ferraluce: If this is the case, then it would be more productive to consult a professional forensics specialist, rather than random gun owners on a social website.

The reason the questions are being asked here is because we have actually exhausted the scholarly information on the subject, spoken to several individuals who actually conducted the experiments and wrote the papers... the long and short of it is that they have no clue...

Further, no matter what the answers here are, we are actually going to be conducting experiments ourselves with human analogues, and possibly publishing our results.

I know you and I have been at odds in the past, but I truly do appreciate your input in this case.

Unfortunately... I have become emotionally disconnected in this issue and it... has become a special interest... I was fragile two weeks ago... now... I need data.


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24 Apr 2016, 3:14 pm

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Hmm, that's a somewhat significant detail that ought to have been included in the OP, IMO...

While this is in conjunction with my best friend's death... it has little bearing on the question, and I am absolutely certain that any answers I will get will be supposition as there is no data on the subject.

My question is as follows: will a contact range shot (aka gun pressed against the body) result in back spatter. It was a kel tek .380 with a three inch barrel firing jacketed hollow points.


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24 Apr 2016, 3:18 pm

Then you may benefit more from approaching a retired specialist in the field of law enforcement, forensics, and/criminal prosecution.

Maybe you could take a cue from Michael Moore, and produce a cinematic project of your own - either a documentary of the events themselves, or a semi-fictional drama "based on actual events", as some others have done.

Just be sure to definitively answer the questions that you raise, and not ask so many "Could it be ..." questions that your production comes across as just another quack conspiracy theory.

Yes, we have our differences. Yet we both thirst for justice.

Good luck to you.



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24 Apr 2016, 4:32 pm

Fnord wrote:
Then you may benefit more from approaching a retired specialist in the field of law enforcement, forensics, and/criminal prosecution.

Maybe you could take a cue from Michael Moore, and produce a cinematic project of your own - either a documentary of the events themselves, or a semi-fictional drama "based on actual events", as some others have done.

Just be sure to definitively answer the questions that you raise, and not ask so many "Could it be ..." questions that your production comes across as just another quack conspiracy theory.

Yes, we have our differences. Yet we both thirst for justice.

Good luck to you.


Eventually, I will be using this to fuel my creativity and making film of some sort off it... and I absolutely agree...

In the situation, I have definitive answers on a great many things. I can truthfully say that I know WHAT happened... just not WHO. At this point, however, I am tasked with collecting and presenting a preponderance of evidence so that no one can have any doubt.

The question raised about back spatter (blowback) has come up because there was none in the location (a 7x7 guard shack)... the papers I have found can accurately tell distance and angle based on the back spatter patters... HOWEVER, the shortest distance in any of these papers was 7 inches. The physics changes dramatically at ranged under 1.5 inches... and no one, even the scientists that published the papers knows the answer... so we are going to experiment... I'm going shooting in the beginning of may


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25 Apr 2016, 3:35 am

Fnord wrote:
Then you may benefit more from approaching a retired specialist in the field of law enforcement, forensics, and/criminal prosecution.


Also... for the record... I am pursuing every avenue to find information that I can... law enforcement, scholarly papers, medical examiners, documentaries and the like...

It just struck me that SOMEONE here might have this as their special interest...


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