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24 Jun 2020, 4:32 am

Can anyone identify this beastie that was recently photographed in Loch Ness?

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Description: Total length 2.5 long

Taken 9mtrs away on shore by a English tourist Steve Challice near the famous Urquhart Castle in Sept 2019

The length size and color are not typical of eels or fish in the Loch but happy to be corrected.



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24 Jun 2020, 10:21 am

Either the water is moving around the object, or the object is moving through the water (or both), because its leaving a wake trailing to our right.

Might be just a big rock sticking out the water with wind driven small waves and a strong current going left to right. And the wake is angled slightly. Not exactly in line with the lateral axis of the thing.

We have to take the guy's word that its as big as he says (about eight feet long). No real references. Maybe a Scottish local who knows that piece of shore could judge, but not the rest of us.

But it looks like the classic "hump in the water" that folks are supposed to see.you're supposed to see several humps in the water along the serpentine creature's length. But thats the only hump in the pic. Could be a creature with little fur, like a true seal, but not a fur seal.



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24 Jun 2020, 10:41 am

Speckled trout.

Although, having originated in Australia, it could be an image of a dead dingo's donger, for all we know.


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24 Jun 2020, 4:53 pm

Fnord wrote:
Speckled trout.

Although, having originated in Australia, it could be an image of a dead dingo's donger, for all we know.


It was taken in Scotland Fnord in front of the famous Urquhart castle. Trout are < 2.5m and sturgeon and other larger fish tend to have prominent dorsal and pectoral fins



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24 Jun 2020, 5:35 pm

Definitely not a sturgeon. None of the bony plate like scales.

It is fish shaped in cross-section- not round in cross section like a hose, but oval. Longer up and down than sideways in cross section.

Its pinkish and speckled like a trout or salmon. But it has no dorsal fin, and no sign of tail at the wake. Whatever body parts are pushing it along are submerged. Thus it looks like an elongated thing undulating through the water while being propelled by unseen fins, or feet, or something.

Beats the heck outa me.



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24 Jun 2020, 5:59 pm

Freddy the fish.

There. I have named it. He now has been identified! :P



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24 Jun 2020, 6:39 pm

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Definitely not a sturgeon. None of the bony plate like scales.

It is fish shaped in cross-section- not round in cross section like a hose, but oval. Longer up and down than sideways in cross section.

Its pinkish and speckled like a trout or salmon. But it has no dorsal fin, and no sign of tail at the wake. Whatever body parts are pushing it along are submerged. Thus it looks like an elongated thing undulating through the water while being propelled by unseen fins, or feet, or something.

Beats the heck outa me.


According to the photographer he thought it was moving like a very big catfish
https://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/new ... ie-203701/

If you look at the photo in scale
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Nessy.html

It seems too big to be a fish. More like a porpoise or whale, But neither of these qualify either as the hump is very sharp ridge.

Fnord does have one point, the speckled colour on the top of the ridge seems to be an evolved adaptation typical of fish that live in a pelagic zone so they camouflage from predators above them (usually birds)



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24 Jun 2020, 6:41 pm

The problem is that how did a whale get there?



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24 Jun 2020, 6:49 pm

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The problem is that how did a whale get there?



Yes my understanding is the Loch is land locked and in any case the water is fresh so whales or other marine creatures wouldn't be frolicking around that far upstream.



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24 Jun 2020, 7:46 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Speckled trout.  Although, having originated in Australia, it could be an image of a dead dingo's donger, for all we know.
It was taken in Scotland Fnord in front of the famous Urquhart castle...
Strange ... when I performed a graphics search, the image came back with an "Au" suffix.  That means either Australia or elemental Gold.  Which is more likely: A solid-gold aquatic animal in a Scottish lake, or an Australian prank?  I'll vote for the latter.


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24 Jun 2020, 7:54 pm

Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Speckled trout.  Although, having originated in Australia, it could be an image of a dead dingo's donger, for all we know.
It was taken in Scotland Fnord in front of the famous Urquhart castle...
Strange ... when I performed a graphics search, the image came back with an "Au" suffix.  That means either Australia or elemental Gold.  Which is more likely: A solid-gold aquatic animal in a Scottish lake, or an Australian prank?  I'll vote for the latter.


Strange, if it was a prank then why hasn't it been picked up?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Nessy.html

Could it be possible the photographer forwarded it to the Australian media first?



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24 Jun 2020, 7:56 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Speckled trout.  Although, having originated in Australia, it could be an image of a dead dingo's donger, for all we know.
It was taken in Scotland Fnord in front of the famous Urquhart castle...
Strange ... when I performed a graphics search, the image came back with an "Au" suffix.  That means either Australia or elemental Gold.  Which is more likely: A solid-gold aquatic animal in a Scottish lake, or an Australian prank?  I'll vote for the latter.
Strange, if it was a prank then why hasn't it been picked up?  Could it be possible the photographer forwarded it to the Australian media first?
Could it be possible that an Aussie larrikin is having a piss on all of us?


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24 Jun 2020, 7:57 pm

Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Speckled trout.  Although, having originated in Australia, it could be an image of a dead dingo's donger, for all we know.
It was taken in Scotland Fnord in front of the famous Urquhart castle...
Strange ... when I performed a graphics search, the image came back with an "Au" suffix.  That means either Australia or elemental Gold.  Which is more likely: A solid-gold aquatic animal in a Scottish lake, or an Australian prank?  I'll vote for the latter.
Strange, if it was a prank then why hasn't it been picked up?  Could it be possible the photographer forwarded it to the Australian media first?
Could it be possible that an Aussie larrikin is having a piss on all of us?


Steve Challice is English



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24 Jun 2020, 7:59 pm

The Loch is landlocked. So I dont see how a sea mammal could get there. Unless its an unknown species of fresh water sea mammal. There are river dolphins in China and in the Amazon, and there is large lake in Nicaragua that has large freshwater sharks (not mammals, but sea creatures) that evolved from normal saltwater ancestors trapped in the lake during the ice age. So maybe there is some freshwater version of a normal sea mammal thats been inhabiting the Loch all along, and thats what folks have been mistaking for the "monster". Or not.



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24 Jun 2020, 9:50 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
There are river dolphins in China and in the Amazon, and there is large lake in Nicaragua that has large freshwater sharks (not mammals, but sea creatures) that evolved from normal saltwater ancestors trapped in the lake during the ice age. So maybe there is some freshwater version of a normal sea mammal thats been inhabiting the Loch all along, and thats what folks have been mistaking for the "monster". Or not.


Yes infact the relic/archaic hypothesis is what the "nessie" enthusiasts subscribe to, that a small species of plesiosaur trapped in the loch millions of years ago evolved to inhabit freshwater.

What's interesting is the "hump" of a small plesiosaur looks remarkably like the photograph

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26 Jun 2020, 7:02 pm

Yes. Thats been the notion for decades...that this creature is real, and that it is a survived plesiosaur.

And Ive gotta admit that that pic does look like the top of a plesiosaur breaking the surface.