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26 Aug 2008, 12:33 am

As I write this from my Macbook, I can say with a fair degree of certainty that OSX is useless. There are no applications that run on OSX that you can't get for Windows or Linux. It's even more proprietary than Windows could ever dream of being. It doesn't give you as much control over your computer as Linux, and it's slower. Windows is the default OS of the world, one that, provided you maintain a decent security suite, should give you no troubles. Linux lets you dig deeper and set up your computer as you like it. OSX is designed to do what Apple thinks you should do, and there is no going beyond those restrictions. Software is normally limited to only one real option for most functions, whereas Linux and provides a plethora of choices for anything you do. Sure, Macs "just work." But so do most PC's with Windows pre-installed. And with those PC's, which will tend to be cheaper than the Mac, you never have to check a software app to see if your OS is supported.

So, I like Linux, and am soon to try out Windows for myself. In all likelihood, I will eventually have a Macbook without OSX even installed on it.


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26 Aug 2008, 12:58 am

Actually I find OS X (10.5) to be very speedy and functional! I use cocktail for DVD ripping, Connect 360 to stream media to my XBOX 360, OpenOffice.org for boring work stuff, and Secret Maryo and Quake for fun.

I'm running it on a Core Duo 2.0Ghz. Mac Mini(2GB of RAM) hooked up to a 22 inch monitor, with a 1.5TB external FW drive, Airport network, Magicjack.com for phone service.

It runs great, I can do ANYTHING on it.

And just for giggles, I installed Vista under Bootcamp to see how the other half lives!

It works great and I am VERY happy.

Once in a while I'll find SOMETHING that won't run worth a crap on it, like DOOM3 and HALO. I just got them for the XBOX 360 and it's as good.


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26 Aug 2008, 1:30 am

Orwell, don't tromp on my dream! ;)

So a windows trial next, hey? You are going for the continental tour?

What after that? Are you considering building a computer next time? I promise you, its just as much fun.


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26 Aug 2008, 2:07 am

Totally agree!



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26 Aug 2008, 2:36 am

I liked OS 9.

The thing with macs is you'll never have to download a virus thingy update. That gets really annoying.



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26 Aug 2008, 2:52 am

Actually most of the actual OS is open-source or free software of some kind. It's only certain layers (Aqua, Cocoa, Carbon, and apps like Finder, itunes, etc) that are proprietary.

I like ubuntu, but it's not really there for me as a desktop yet. I miss the packaging system the most (fink and macports aren't by far as well maintained) but for the most part Mac has everything I ask for.

And for the most part, a lot of the popular Linux programs run in OS X as well (if only in X11 for graphical apps)



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26 Aug 2008, 3:49 am

Was my first reaction too. But after getting used to it, you'll like it more. At least it's better than Windows. Ok, it doesn't offer that many options for colors and other faky stuff (I'm missing mouse cursors of Linux), but that's not what you need to work. Actually you won't waste time making decisions which color setup to use today. (And Finder is scrap, scrap, scrap...)
After all it is a Unix. You can make lots of Linux OSS software run on your Mac. Only you won't get it as a package and may have to compile it yourself, which in most cases is just three commands on the commandline.

Give it a chance. Serious, I'm working at home with Linux & Windows and at office with Mac. So I know them all and Mac is the one where I waste the least amount of time with getting things run.


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26 Aug 2008, 11:51 am

PilotPirx wrote:
Was my first reaction too. But after getting used to it, you'll like it more. At least it's better than Windows. Ok, it doesn't offer that many options for colors and other faky stuff (I'm missing mouse cursors of Linux), but that's not what you need to work. Actually you won't waste time making decisions which color setup to use today. (And Finder is scrap, scrap, scrap...)
After all it is a Unix. You can make lots of Linux OSS software run on your Mac. Only you won't get it as a package and may have to compile it yourself, which in most cases is just three commands on the commandline.

Give it a chance. Serious, I'm working at home with Linux & Windows and at office with Mac. So I know them all and Mac is the one where I waste the least amount of time with getting things run.

LOL on the "Give it a chance" and "Getting used to it." Until this year, I had never used anything other than MacOS, from Mac OS 7 on through Leopard. After trying out Linux, I have found the Ubuntu/GNOME GUI to be much more user-friendly than the Mac one. Yes, I agree that the main benefit of using a Mac is that you don't waste any time getting things to run, but from what I hear Windows isn't too much of a hassle either unless you want to do something fancy. And Ubuntu's not much work once you manage to get your wireless driver working.

Also, this thread was somewhat of a sarcastic shot at the "Linux is useless" thread, though it probably didn't come off very well. All I demonstrated in my OP was that Mac OSX can't do anything Windows and/or Linux can't. So what? Windows can't do anything OSX and/or Linux can't, and Linux can't really do anything that you can't do with the other OS'es. So therefore, very OS is useless.

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26 Aug 2008, 12:00 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
Orwell, don't tromp on my dream! ;)

So a windows trial next, hey? You are going for the continental tour?

What after that? Are you considering building a computer next time? I promise you, its just as much fun.

Hey, Macs are nice if you want to give every OS a spin, but if you don't plan on using OSX, better to find something else.

Yep, delving into the dark side in order to see the full range of OS's. Unless I then decide to go into stuff like Solaris, BSD, and the other weird ones.

Building a comp? Hm, then I could make sure all my hardware was compatible. That'd be nice.


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26 Aug 2008, 1:09 pm

There are hardware compatibility lists.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/

http://www.ubuntuhcl.org/


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26 Aug 2008, 1:34 pm

totally agree



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26 Aug 2008, 3:29 pm

I don' t think OSX is useless, but I liked OS9 better.



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26 Aug 2008, 4:11 pm

I use OSX 10.4.11, and couldn't be happier with it. My computer is too old and slow to install 10.5.
But if you need more-advanced control over your computer, and find that Linux works best for you, then go for it. :D

Orwell wrote:
There are no applications that run on OSX that you can't get for Windows or Linux.


The program I use most on my computer is Bias' "Peak", a music-editing program that I like very much. They only make it for Mac.


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