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17 Sep 2008, 12:09 am

I wrote a very compact proof for vector calculus (u x v is orthogonal to u and v) and the professor really liked it, so he Xeroxed it and he's going to hand it out to everyone on Thursday.

I rule.

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17 Sep 2008, 5:34 am

chever wrote:

I wrote a very compact proof for vector calculus (u x v is orthogonal to u and v) and the professor really liked it, so he Xeroxed it and he's going to hand it out to everyone on Thursday.

I rule.

You are so clever, but math is merely the language of geometry (that is, real world geometry), it's like saying a triangle with 3 equal angles is congruent with another triangle of the same! What would really be elite would be to take math back to it's true form - the shapes, as many ancient cultures knew, the arabic script really hides a lot of wonderful and deep relationships, but of course you'd only know that if you were truly an elite at math.

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17 Sep 2008, 11:56 am

chever wrote:

I wrote a very compact proof for vector calculus (u x v is orthogonal to u and v) and the professor really liked it, so he Xeroxed it and he's going to hand it out to everyone on Thursday.

I rule.

Don't leave us hanging, what was so awesome about it?

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17 Sep 2008, 12:15 pm

twoshots wrote:

chever wrote:

I wrote a very compact proof for vector calculus (u x v is orthogonal to u and v) and the professor really liked it, so he Xeroxed it and he's going to hand it out to everyone on Thursday.

I rule.

Don't leave us hanging, what was so awesome about it?

It was very short.

And he Xeroxed it for the whole class.

That is what was awesome about it.

I can put it up, I'd want to use LaTeX though

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You are so clever, but math is merely the language of geometry (that is, real world geometry)

No. It's much more than that.

Group theory, for example, can explain certain some geometry, but geometry cannot explain group theory.

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17 Sep 2008, 1:08 pm

chever wrote:

...I can put it up, I'd want to use LaTeX though

So use it... laeqed is a rather nice way of doing so.

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17 Sep 2008, 1:17 pm

I'm just going to scan the original when I get it back tomorrow

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17 Sep 2008, 2:48 pm

chever wrote:

ZakFiend wrote:

You are so clever, but math is merely the language of geometry (that is, real world geometry)

No. It's much more than that.

Group theory, for example, can explain certain some geometry, but geometry cannot explain group theory.

Again I said world geometry... you're confusing concepts. Group theory is made of logical bits of information, and those bits of information have geometric distinction, or rather shapes. Without logic you can't even have so much as single perception, we're back to geometry once again. It would be wise to think of the physics of how truth is derived before one speaks, every concept or theory of man is a geometric pattern of information. Else you could not process the distinctions within the idea and theory itself. The simplest form of reasoning is to detect inequalities in a surface, I know this because I work on this kind of stuff.

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17 Sep 2008, 2:53 pm

Utterly pissed myself. Wow. :roll:

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17 Sep 2008, 2:59 pm

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You and Jacques Lacan would get along really well

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17 Sep 2008, 3:05 pm

Sorry, ZakFiend, but not one of your sentences there made any sense whatsoever.

... world geometry...
... logical bits of information...
... geometric distinction...
... the physics of how truth is derived...
... geometric pattern of information...
... distinctions within the idea and theory...
... inequalities in a surface...

all meaningless phases.

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17 Sep 2008, 3:24 pm

lau wrote:

I tried to understand but couldn't.

Is he saying that thoughts have shapes?

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17 Sep 2008, 3:43 pm

chever wrote:

I tried to understand but couldn't.

I don't think there was anything to understand.

For instance, if I said...

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The osculating tambourine holds thermo-luminescent ospreys at large.

would you have any trouble understanding?

OTOH...

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The osculating orbit of an object in space is the gravitational Kepler orbit about a central body that it would have if other perturbations were not present.

might require a little thought on your part, but you would understand it quite easily.

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17 Sep 2008, 3:50 pm

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Of course because you don't have the concepts to understand what I'm saying, you need the concepts before you can even begin to see what I'm saying. Concepts are the lenses by which we see and interpret the world - no concepts - no vision, no vision, no understanding. Therefore until you have the proper concepts, you cannot understand.

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17 Sep 2008, 3:51 pm

chever wrote:

lau wrote:

I tried to understand but couldn't.

Is he saying that thoughts have shapes?

Do you detect thoughts, do they have existent structure to detect? Are they distinct from other thoughts? i.e. they have boundaries?

Do they have distinct form?

(quote, laws of form)

Unfortunately, we find systems of education today which have departed so far from the plain truth, that they now teach us to be proud of what we know and ashamed of ignorance. This is doubly corrupt. It is corrupt not only because pride is in itself a mortal sin, but also because to teach pride in knowledge is to put up an effective barrier against any advance upon what is already known, since it makes one ashamed to look beyond the bonds imposed by one's ignorance.

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17 Sep 2008, 3:53 pm

lau wrote:

chever wrote:

I tried to understand but couldn't.

I don't think there was anything to understand.

You don't have the background to understand what I'm saying.

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17 Sep 2008, 3:54 pm

lau wrote:

For instance, if I said...

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The osculating tambourine holds thermo-luminescent ospreys at large.

would you have any trouble understanding?

thermo-luminescent ospreys have great radiosity, you can literally fry an egg on them in Siberia

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