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28 Nov 2008, 12:14 pm

I tried to give it a chance, I really did. But I just got my RAM upgrade and even with Aero disabled it still can't match the performance OS X had with a quarter my current RAM. That's outright freaking pathetic, especially given that I feel OS X is too slow and generally use Linux to get really snappy performance. Driver issues abound in Vista, moreso than in Linux. Outlook won't even start up properly. What the hell is wrong with this thing? I installed 4GB or RAM, OS X and Ubuntu are able to use it but Vista somehow only believes that 3GB are there. Apparently this is a limitation of the 32-bit OS- which is another thing that annoys me. I've got a nice 64-bit processor, I should be able to use those capabilities and not be held back by my software. But supposedly Windows 64-bit is even worse with drivers and compatibility than the 32-bit versions. All my Windows-using friends are still out there wasting their powerful processors with software that limits their computers. Connecting to the internet with this thing is a nightmare. I had to navigate some convoluted maze just to be able to enter the security settings and connect to the wifi network here. In fact, I repeatedly had Windows offer to take me to some place where I could enter the security information, only to get no response when I tried to take Vista up on its offer. As the saying goes, Mac is for people who don't want to know why their computer works, Linux is for people who do want to know why their computer works, DOS is for people who want to know why their computer doesn't work, and Windows is for people who don't want to know why their computer doesn't work. Why is Vista so utterly unhelpful? Whenever something goes wrong, it spends a few minutes assuring me that it is looking for a solution to the problem, and then simply gives up without either resolving the problem or telling me anything useful so that I can solve the problem myself.
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It is possible that the University tech people screwed something up really badly when they put Vista on my computer. I might try reinstalling at a later date, possibly using XP Pro instead of Vista Ultimate. But for now, this post will be the last thing I do within Windows and I'm going to go back to using OSX and Ubuntu. It's just not worth the hassle. No operating system is worth this.

Ratings of my three operating systems on identical hardware:
Performance: Ubuntu>OSX>>Vista
Stability: OSX>Ubuntu>Vista
Ease of use: OSX>Ubuntu>>Vista
Access to applications: Vista>Ubuntu>OSX (Office 2007 is amazing, I just wish it was available for a decent operating system)
Eye Candy: Ubuntu>>OSX>Vista (Compiz pretty much pwns)
Windows Management: Ubuntu>Vista>>OSX (Exposé and the stupid little dock just don't cut it, Apple.)
Ease of accessing useful information: Ubuntu>OSX>>Vista (I shouldn't need a labyrinth around every little piece of information I want to find about my computer)
Ease and unobtrusiveness of update process: Ubuntu>OSX>>Vista (seriously, Vista is just f*****g obnoxious)
Security: OSX≈Ubuntu>>Vista (combine the crap security with the fact that what security exists is indescribably obnoxious)
Overall UI: Ubuntu>OSX>Vista
Compatibility with 3rd-party hardware/Drivers: OSX>Ubuntu>Vista
Online help with anything that does go wrong: Ubuntu>>>OSX>Vista

Overall Rating: Ubuntu>OSX>>Vista

I'm sorry, but the availability of games does NOT come anywhere close to compensating for the fact that Windows is a worthless pile of s**t. The old saying was so predictive: Linux for productivity, Mac for graphics, Windows for solitaire. All Windows has is games. Anything else, Mac and Linux both destroy it.


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28 Nov 2008, 12:20 pm

Welcome to the club.

Vista sucks royally. I went back to XP, but I needed Lau's help to even do that - and I'll love him forever for rescuing me from the clutches of evil Vista :wink:


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28 Nov 2008, 2:55 pm

Sorry, ol' threadkiller KaliMa strikes again! :oops:


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28 Nov 2008, 4:27 pm

It's weird that you're having problems with 4GB of RAM, Orwell. I've only got 2GB, and my system runs just fine. Of course, Vista Home Premium was installed on my computer when I bought it, so I didn't have to worry about installation problems.

Maybe it's your processor? I've got a 1.73 GHz Pentium dual-core processor. I'm not sure how that compares to a 64-bit processor (this is my first computer).

Everything I've read says that you shouldn't get Vista until you get a new computer. It really can't run well on the older machines, and there are backward compatibility issues with older files.

Windows never was designed for computer geeks -- it's geared toward the general public.


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28 Nov 2008, 4:40 pm

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It's weird that you're having problems with 4GB of RAM, Orwell. I've only got 2GB, and my system runs just fine. Of course, Vista Home Premium was installed on my computer when I bought it, so I didn't have to worry about installation problems.

Maybe it's your processor? I've got a 1.73 GHz Pentium dual-core processor. I'm not sure how that compares to a 64-bit processor (this is my first computer).

Everything I've read says that you shouldn't get Vista until you get a new computer. It really can't run well on the older machines, and there are backward compatibility issues with older files.

Windows never was designed for computer geeks -- it's geared toward the general public.

Ah, but I've got Vista Ultimate, the most bloated operating system known to man. It's Home Premium + Windows Enterprise just slapped together.

My processor is an Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.2 GHz. It is not a problem with my processor; I have a good, powerful processor. With my current RAM, Vista runs fairly reasonably, but not the type of performance I expect from my machine. Perhaps *nix is just fundamentally better at handling system resources than Windows. I am somewhat annoyed that Windows is unable to even make use of my powerful hardware. It treats my 64-bit processor as though it were 32-bit, and it sees 3 GB out of my 4 GB RAM. Basically, Windows is too bloated to run fast on the hardware it sees, and too limited to know how to use anything more powerful. Thus, worthless. It's a catch-22.

My computer is newer than Vista, that is not the problem. Backwards incompatibility? Pathetic! Apple managed to make a smooth transition from Mac OS 9 to being a BSD-based system! They scrapped their old system and started over, and still managed to get the files over properly. And Microsoft has essentially unlimited resources, you'd think they'd be able to hire some competent programmers to write a decent system for them.

Well, if Windows wasn't intended for computer geeks but for the general public, it should be easy to use, right? Then how come it's harder to configure a printer in Windows than it is in Ubuntu Linux? Vista very nearly prevented me from turning in an assignment on time. No Mac operating system has ever done that to me, and neither has Linux.


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28 Nov 2008, 4:45 pm

Orwell wrote:
Vista sucks

Well duh lol


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28 Nov 2008, 5:02 pm

Vi$ta is kind of like someone took a diarrhea dump in your computer.


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28 Nov 2008, 5:45 pm

Well, now that I have massively overpowered hardware (4GB RAM) XP runs great inside of Ubuntu VirtualBox. I gave XP 1 GB. Now I'm getting it set up, and soon will have Office 2007 on one of the four faces of my desktop cube while keeping all my web browsing safe and secure over on an Ubuntu desktop. I <3 compiz, btw.


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28 Nov 2008, 6:26 pm

Welcome to the club of Vista haters.

A day never goes by without me cursing Vista because of some irrational behaviour. Today it decided my downloads folder (which is full of exe's and only exe's) is a photo folder so Windows Explorer has stopped showing standard file information and now shows alongside each file a date when the photo was taken and the star rating of the photo. Vista frequently loses the plot.


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28 Nov 2008, 6:53 pm

Mine works great



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28 Nov 2008, 7:07 pm

I've been using Vista Ultimate x64 and getting the drivers for my sound card were the issue, but straight to their website and sorted. Functions the same as the 32 bit version.

I want to believe Vista will get better as it's put onto more powerful computers with bigger specs. But I'm not sure really.

Have you gotten pissed with the UAC always requesting permission for EVERYTHING? Took me a while to find it, it does help cope with Vista a little.



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28 Nov 2008, 7:50 pm

agreed,it isn't great.
though have not had big problems on this laptop with it [a toshiba equium,dual core,two gb of ram etc] its been very speedy-have had a lot of incompatibility problems with different programs and games [that were supposed to be vista compatible],that is what am hate about it,would think by now it would be coded for properly.
dads MESH pc [dual core,two gb of ram...] is very slow with vista premium,dont understand it,similar spec,
his better even.

guess this is the problem,it's not an overall stable OS and depends on each computer how well it works,some people have a mostly worthwhile time with vista-others are left wondering wtf did they upgrade for.


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28 Nov 2008, 9:11 pm

I don't blame you guys for being upset if you're having those kinds of problems with it.

However, I bought this laptop in May with Vista Home Premium pre-installed, and it's the best computer I've ever worked with. No issues, no viruses, no spam (I have McAfee Total Protection 2007). Everything runs fast enough to suit my requirements. I also like the way Vista and the Office 2007 programs are organized -- everything's much more intuitive.

The only issues I've had are compatibility issues, but there are usually patches or new drivers available.


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28 Nov 2008, 10:36 pm

McAfee and Vista on a laptop? So sitting idle you are using how big of a percentage of your RAM?



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29 Nov 2008, 5:41 am

Keith wrote:
I want to believe Vista will get better as it's put onto more powerful computers with bigger specs. But I'm not sure really.


Yeah man, I want to believe too. The company I work for dropped heaps of $ on new workstations to run AutoCAD and they've been an embarrassment since the day they came in. I know it took XP a while to come good when it came out... but this is ridiculous.



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29 Nov 2008, 6:17 am

Dad bought a nice new computer rently. I offered to pay extra for XP but he said it would be unsupported soon, so now we are cursed with Vista and every single sodding program crashes all the time. Worst is YouTube on Firefox. ARGH! :x


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