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26 Dec 2008, 5:44 pm

Windows XP Extensions Reflect Vista's Woes

http://www.informationweek.com/news/win ... =212501862

Somehow this feels like old news.....


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26 Dec 2008, 8:17 pm

Well, they've both been around for awhile...;)
Looks like another indication of the better being the enemy of the best...;)

Our company has sworn not to use Vista, and are just hanging around for Windows 7...;)



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27 Dec 2008, 12:07 am

pakled wrote:
Our company has sworn not to use Vista, and are just hanging around for Windows 7...;)


Yea... cept Keny got hold of an alpha of 7, and it's literaly the same sh*t. Remember the difference between 98SE and ME?

THERE ISN'T ONE!! !

Well, not much of one anyway. The difference between Win 7 and puke is there's a bit of trimming and tucking, and the GUI's been ditched in favor of old win classic, though who knows if that will stick.

Your company would do well to send the IT guy to a few linux community college courses, it'll save a lot of headache.


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29 Dec 2008, 2:06 am

kip wrote:
pakled wrote:
Our company has sworn not to use Vista, and are just hanging around for Windows 7...;)


Yea... cept Keny got hold of an alpha of 7, and it's literaly the same sh*t. Remember the difference between 98SE and ME?

THERE ISN'T ONE!! !

Well, not much of one anyway. The difference between Win 7 and puke is there's a bit of trimming and tucking, and the GUI's been ditched in favor of old win classic, though who knows if that will stick.

Your company would do well to send the IT guy to a few linux community college courses, it'll save a lot of headache.


I haven't tried the beta of Windows 7 yet, but I figure it will just be a cosmetic makeover to make Vista look simpler as well, instead of actually getting to the root of the problem, which requires getting rid of the BLOAT.

In order for Windows to continue to stay on top, M$ needs to start from scratch, and completely rewrite the OS. While they are at it, they need to listen to the customer and give them what they want.



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SilverStar wrote:
kip wrote:
pakled wrote:
Our company has sworn not to use Vista, and are just hanging around for Windows 7...;)


Yea... cept Keny got hold of an alpha of 7, and it's literaly the same sh*t. Remember the difference between 98SE and ME?

THERE ISN'T ONE!! !

Well, not much of one anyway. The difference between Win 7 and puke is there's a bit of trimming and tucking, and the GUI's been ditched in favor of old win classic, though who knows if that will stick.

Your company would do well to send the IT guy to a few linux community college courses, it'll save a lot of headache.


I haven't tried the beta of Windows 7 yet, but I figure it will just be a cosmetic makeover to make Vista look simpler as well, instead of actually getting to the root of the problem, which requires getting rid of the BLOAT.

In order for Windows to continue to stay on top, M$ needs to start from scratch, and completely rewrite the OS. While they are at it, they need to listen to the customer and give them what they want.



M$ is making the same mistake our auto industry made and that is concentrating to much on cosmetic appearances and not on making a robust and efficient product.


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31 Dec 2008, 12:00 am

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In order for Windows to continue to stay on top, M$ needs to start from scratch, and completely rewrite the OS.

I remember reading years ago that one version of Windows was actually going to do that, with improvements like getting rid of the registry but they didn't do it. Don't remember if it was XP or NT, interesting reading, will see if I find it.


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31 Dec 2008, 12:13 am

computerlove wrote:
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In order for Windows to continue to stay on top, M$ needs to start from scratch, and completely rewrite the OS.

I remember reading years ago that one version of Windows was actually going to do that, with improvements like getting rid of the registry but they didn't do it. Don't remember if it was XP or NT, interesting reading, will see if I find it.

It's called Midori. It's supposed to replace Windows entirely, we'll see if that ever happens.


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31 Dec 2008, 1:49 pm

richie wrote:
Windows XP Extensions Reflect Vista's Woes

http://www.informationweek.com/news/win ... =212501862

Somehow this feels like old news.....


I haven't tried Vista yet, for reasons mentioned in the article in that there are alot of hardware incomptablities with it, even some MS software doesn't run on it, etc. I'm holding on to XP as long as possible because I don't want to junk some of equipment or build a new PC for their new OS.

In the future, I'm considering perhaps going to Ubuntu and running Crossover from Codeweavers.com for Windows applications. That might be better than being on the M$ treadmill.


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31 Dec 2008, 1:56 pm

Microsoft is going to extend XP so they have something people will still buy until Windows 7. (Also known as Mojavé)



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31 Dec 2008, 2:11 pm

Orwell wrote:
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SilverStar wrote:
In order for Windows to continue to stay on top, M$ needs to start from scratch, and completely rewrite the OS.

I remember reading years ago that one version of Windows was actually going to do that, with improvements like getting rid of the registry but they didn't do it. Don't remember if it was XP or NT, interesting reading, will see if I find it.

It's called Midori. It's supposed to replace Windows entirely, we'll see if that ever happens.

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31 Dec 2008, 3:28 pm

No, i think it was xp as well. Singularity and midori came later and are more of a concept operating system. If you think people yell about compatibility, you'll understand why midori just wont happen. its not backward compatible in the slightest. It cant be. The whole point of it is to erase the possibility of security holes and crashes.


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31 Dec 2008, 3:36 pm

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No, i think it was xp as well. Singularity and midori came later and are more of a concept operating system. If you think people yell about compatibility, you'll understand why midori just wont happen. its not backward compatible in the slightest. It cant be. The whole point of it is to erase the possibility of security holes and crashes.

Apple OSX had little in common with prior Mac operating systems; they recognized that they needed a fresh start and so they began again from scratch. The transition was tough, but they came out of it stronger.


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31 Dec 2008, 4:02 pm

Orwell wrote:
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No, i think it was xp as well. Singularity and midori came later and are more of a concept operating system. If you think people yell about compatibility, you'll understand why midori just wont happen. its not backward compatible in the slightest. It cant be. The whole point of it is to erase the possibility of security holes and crashes.

Apple OSX had little in common with prior Mac operating systems; they recognized that they needed a fresh start and so they began again from scratch. The transition was tough, but they came out of it stronger.



Starting Windows from scratch will definetly break compatability. Wouldnt it be possible to run older programs in virtual environments though?



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31 Dec 2008, 4:22 pm

SilverStar wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
No, i think it was xp as well. Singularity and midori came later and are more of a concept operating system. If you think people yell about compatibility, you'll understand why midori just wont happen. its not backward compatible in the slightest. It cant be. The whole point of it is to erase the possibility of security holes and crashes.

Apple OSX had little in common with prior Mac operating systems; they recognized that they needed a fresh start and so they began again from scratch. The transition was tough, but they came out of it stronger.



Starting Windows from scratch will definetly break compatability. Wouldnt it be possible to run older programs in virtual environments though?


Orwell: OSX disks came with universal binaries though, right? For a period of time everything came in two versions per disk?

SilverStar: I understand that midori has very strong sandboxing of RAM, and that components/applications cannot speak directly with each other, as they might need to do. Much more so than vista, in fact, it would extend to the core of the OS. Those old programs would lack the protocols for asking permission to do certain things. I dont know that a virtual environment would enable that.


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31 Dec 2008, 5:44 pm

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Starting Windows from scratch will definetly break compatability. Wouldnt it be possible to run older programs in virtual environments though?

Yes. That's what Apple did. In fact, my mom is still refusing to upgrade from 10.4 so that she can continue to use Classic Mode (the virtual environment to run OS9) to run the old Mac version of Outlook Express.

Besides, Microsoft has oftentimes sucked enough at compatibility between versions that most people won't notice *that* much of a difference.

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Orwell: OSX disks came with universal binaries though, right? For a period of time everything came in two versions per disk?

Universal binaries are the versions that will run in OSX on either PPC or Intel architecture- they actually still have that today. They're dropping it next year with Snow Leopard. What you might be thinking of is Carbon- a set of applications that could run in OS9 or OSX. There weren't a whole ton of them, and I remember the early days of OSX. It was, of course, a much better system, but it had next to no applications available for it at first and you had to constantly switch into "Classic" mode to use your old programs.


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31 Dec 2008, 7:37 pm

Another thing that is prolonging XP's life is the proliferation of "web-book" or "Netbook" PCs
that run on the Intel Atom. These are very small with no CD ROM drive and some use
use large amounts of flash memory instead of hard-drives.
Asus Eee, PC World Advent 4213, MSI Wind U100-221 UK, and the Acer Aspire One
that I am posting this with are examples. None of these meet the the minimum requirements for Vista but work well with XP or some flavor of Linux.


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