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30 Jan 2009, 2:17 am

In the USA you can get coupons for free boxes to watch free wireless HDTV from the
government if you want to...

But whatever you do, don't order the boxes from AMAZON.COM
because they will steal your coupons and not give you boxes.
Again, they took the coupons for the boxes and REFUSED to
give them back or send me boxes!
Their response to complaint:
We redeemed them already. We have no more of those boxes. Sorry. It's our policy. We will give you nothing!

I reported this fraud to the government agencies and anyone else who will listen.



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30 Jan 2009, 2:35 am

Well that sucks! I'll not be going to Amazon then.


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30 Jan 2009, 2:39 am

the government decided to push back the date by 3 months for when they switch over to using digital signals. You have to have one of those boxes to watch tv apparently.. It's not exactly free since many people have to pay for those hdtv boxes so they can just watch some tv.


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30 Jan 2009, 5:06 am

I've never heard of any of this.



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30 Jan 2009, 5:47 am

Well, I might still be pist at Amazon, but I don't really watch much TV anyway.
And HDTV was a big stupid waste of money to invent, especially since
computer monitors now have more resolution than 1080 and I think digital
cameras do too, and HDTV compresses too much.
The highest quality 1080i/p HDTV channel is only a little more than one megapixel.

(Those big flat screens DO have VGA inputs for showing a lot more megapixels though.)

edit:
WOW this is dopey! If the coupons for free boxes are stolen, even from the mail,
you can't get any more... and... that's a LAW :?: 8O
They come in red envelopes that say TV BOX COUPONS on them!

HDTV...
It's what you get when gov people get HIGH, and make up a new DEFINITION of TV!
(Really, a conspiracy to sell public frequencies and control all broadcasts with encryption.)



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30 Jan 2009, 6:03 am

If you have cable, try calling your cable service provider. We called ComCast and they sent us three for free.



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30 Jan 2009, 10:49 am

You guys know these are only for people that don't have cable or satellite, right? The box is just to convert over-the-air HD channels (i.e. local ABC, CBS, NBC affiliates). If you have cable you don't need the box.



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30 Jan 2009, 12:07 pm

If the digital signal is anything like the UK then the quality of channels will be bad. At least with analogue, the signal would always be there and the lip sync would still be in time. Then there are some audio misses where they are so bad, I have to use subtitles, which is even worse when the channel does NOT have subtitles... I think my box is broken ... NO subtitles on any channel anymore. On my small TV, I can see the quality it has and it's very low, I'm not sure if my TV is going kaput but the refresh seems very low on it, I can't even watch TV as well anymore .....



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30 Jan 2009, 1:06 pm

Keith this is USA only. They are making people get these boxes so they can watch HD Tv. If you don't get them, then no TV for the person. The government is switching the type of signal that will be used.

ValMikeSmith, why don't you order some more in a different name?

If you have cable or satellite already, you don't need the box


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30 Jan 2009, 1:39 pm

Dokken wrote:
Keith this is USA only. They are making people get these boxes so they can watch HD Tv. If you don't get them, then no TV for the person. The government is switching the type of signal that will be used.


Again, this is not accurate. The only signals changing are the ones sent via local antennas. People on cable or satellite do not need this equipment.

Also - I believe the US House of Representatives voted against delaying the switchover. I believe it is still on track for next month. It seems ridiculous to postpone something that the US consumer has been able to do (for free) for many months.



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30 Jan 2009, 9:16 pm

t0 wrote:
Dokken wrote:
Keith this is USA only. They are making people get these boxes so they can watch HD Tv. If you don't get them, then no TV for the person. The government is switching the type of signal that will be used.


Again, this is not accurate. The only signals changing are the ones sent via local antennas. People on cable or satellite do not need this equipment.

Also - I believe the US House of Representatives voted against delaying the switchover. I believe it is still on track for next month. It seems ridiculous to postpone something that the US consumer has been able to do (for free) for many months.


I know, I wrote if you have satellite or cable you don't need it. So what I wrote is accurate, but you chose not to quote it.


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31 Jan 2009, 6:05 am

Some satellites and all cable companies charges for the service of either having a wire or a signal descrambler or to maintain the service as a business.
Most people in the USA are unaware of the "free" wireless services so they pay for them.

People who buy "basic cable" are paying for free signals.

That reminds me. The TV situation in the UK has always seemed very bizarre to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_United_Kingdom

So, Let's use our free TV before we lose it.
We've already lost 200 Megahertz (about one third of the 82 free channels),
that the FCC stole and sold.

I'm sure that those digital boxes can be updated to require paying for TV in the future.
All of the other (satellite and cable) TV boxes already did make people pay for TV.



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31 Jan 2009, 10:23 am

ValMikeSmith wrote:
Some satellites and all cable companies charges for the service of either having a wire or a signal descrambler or to maintain the service as a business.
Most people in the USA are unaware of the "free" wireless services so they pay for them.

People who buy "basic cable" are paying for free signals.

That reminds me. The TV situation in the UK has always seemed very bizarre to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_United_Kingdom

So, Let's use our free TV before we lose it.
We've already lost 200 Megahertz (about one third of the 82 free channels),
that the FCC stole and sold.

I'm sure that those digital boxes can be updated to require paying for TV in the future.
All of the other (satellite and cable) TV boxes already did make people pay for TV.


That is completely wrong. Yes, basic cable includes the local networks usually, but it also includes channels you can't get over the air. Nobody is taking away free channels. All channels are going to have to be digital though, and not all TV's can decode the new signal. Check your facts before you rant.