New Sherlock series equating Asperger's with sociopaths?

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17 Mar 2011, 5:37 pm

You know what's deeply bizarre? All the people online diagnosing Mark Zuckerberg with Aspergers... based on an actor's portrayal of him in "The Social Network." They don't even seem to realize that they weren't watching the actual person.


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17 Mar 2011, 7:06 pm

I'd say that the makers of Sherlock went for the grand effect without doing their homework first.



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17 Mar 2011, 8:39 pm

willaful wrote:
You know what's deeply bizarre? All the people online diagnosing Mark Zuckerberg with Aspergers... based on an actor's portrayal of him in "The Social Network." They don't even seem to realize that they weren't watching the actual person.


Yeah. I've seen the real Zuckerberg in interviews, and he doesn't seem at all awkward or Aspergian.



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18 Mar 2011, 1:07 pm

TheSnarkKnight wrote:
willaful wrote:
You know what's deeply bizarre? All the people online diagnosing Mark Zuckerberg with Aspergers... based on an actor's portrayal of him in "The Social Network." They don't even seem to realize that they weren't watching the actual person.


Yeah. I've seen the real Zuckerberg in interviews, and he doesn't seem at all awkward or Aspergian.


I have no idea if he is or not, I just don't see much point in discussing it based on a movie he wasn't even in!


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23 Mar 2011, 7:41 am

And the worst thing is, when Sherlock came out, a friend called me and said enthusiastically 'Why, great series, and Benedict Cumberbatch's version of Sherlock Holmes is so lovely, so much like you!
I still can't figure out what she meant exactly but I am sure she thought it was a good thing and that I'd like it.



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23 Mar 2011, 10:22 am

Severus wrote:
And the worst thing is, when Sherlock came out, a friend called me and said enthusiastically 'Why, great series, and Benedict Cumberbatch's version of Sherlock Holmes is so lovely, so much like you!
I still can't figure out what she meant exactly but I am sure she thought it was a good thing and that I'd like it.


Oh my god. My boyfriend said almost the same thing (about me, not you). :lol:



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23 Mar 2011, 12:25 pm

emlion wrote:
Severus wrote:
And the worst thing is, when Sherlock came out, a friend called me and said enthusiastically 'Why, great series, and Benedict Cumberbatch's version of Sherlock Holmes is so lovely, so much like you!
I still can't figure out what she meant exactly but I am sure she thought it was a good thing and that I'd like it.


Oh my god. My boyfriend said almost the same thing (about me, not you). :lol:


I should hope so; otherwise you should be asking him how he knows Severus. :lol:

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23 Mar 2011, 12:28 pm

heh, i thought i'd better clarify before everyone thinks my boyfriend is a crazy stalker. :lol:



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23 Mar 2011, 6:51 pm

Hehe, don't worry, emlion, nobody thinks like that, and most people can't even find the country I live in on the map :lol:



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18 Jun 2011, 4:44 am

Severus wrote:
And the worst thing is, when Sherlock came out, a friend called me and said enthusiastically 'Why, great series, and Benedict Cumberbatch's version of Sherlock Holmes is so lovely, so much like you!
I still can't figure out what she meant exactly but I am sure she thought it was a good thing and that I'd like it.


i know exactly how you feel! my best friend said the same thing! well not exaclty...... lol
she was moree like "OMG! he act exactly like you & hes as full as himself as you are!" :roll: oh well! i guess that makes her my watson!



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11 Jan 2012, 3:06 am

Just to update you all on this, the second series is running here in the UK now and in episode two Watson specifically refers to Holmes as 'Aspergian.'
And for those of you who haven't watched it, Sherlock Holmes on the BBC is set in the present day, not Victorian England, so of course he could be a diagnosed Aspie. (Although he is probably too old as Britain lags a long way behind the US in diagnosing adults, most of us are unable to get a diagnosis on the NHS, despite the recently passed Autism Act.)



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27 Jan 2012, 1:51 pm

My take on it was Sherlock does have some autism spectrum traits and he's not a sociopath; he just said that to mess with the police guy. If he were a sociopath, he wouldn't be capable of caring about John and Mrs. Hudson like he does.

I think the combination of autism spectrum traits (may or may not actually be Asperger's) and his extraordinary intelligence and observation make it so he can make a conscious effort to behave in a more neurotypical way when he really needs to, because he's learned how neurotypical people behave, but it doesn't come naturally for him. I feel like that's how it is for me, I can behave in a way that's totally contrary to my nature when I need to but I have to make an effort and it's too tiring to do it more than occasionally. Like making eye contact; I have to remember and force myself to do it. Often I'm kicking myself some time after a conversation when I realize I forgot to make eye contact. When I remember to do it, it's uncomfortable but I do it anyway because I think it's beneficial (I think making eye contact makes people more likely to trust what I say, or rather that not making eye contact makes them think I'm unsure or even dishonest). I think it's the same kind of thing with Sherlock.



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27 Jan 2012, 3:17 pm

I think it's just typically poor writing from Steven Moffat. I don't understand why he is so praised - I find his writing is hollow, shallow, contrived, emotionally-manipulative and poorly researched. It might seem "clever" on the surface but anyone can see how poor it is when they look under that surface. One only has to watch his Dr who episodes : "audience substitute childen", female characters defined by their gender, deus ex machinas, catchphrases for the schoolyard ect.

I attempted to watch this Sherlock show but found it just as poor as his other work. If you want a modern Sherlock Holmes, you'd probably be better off watching an episode of House.


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27 Jan 2012, 10:20 pm

AbstractAlien wrote:
I think it's just typically poor writing from Steven Moffat. I don't understand why he is so praised - I find his writing is hollow, shallow, contrived, emotionally-manipulative and poorly researched. It might seem "clever" on the surface but anyone can see how poor it is when they look under that surface. One only has to watch his Dr who episodes : "audience substitute childen", female characters defined by their gender, deus ex machinas, catchphrases for the schoolyard ect.

I attempted to watch this Sherlock show but found it just as poor as his other work. If you want a modern Sherlock Holmes, you'd probably be better off watching an episode of House.


How exactly are females defined by their gender? There aren't even that many in Sherlock.



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28 Jan 2012, 11:18 am

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
AbstractAlien wrote:
I think it's just typically poor writing from Steven Moffat. I don't understand why he is so praised - I find his writing is hollow, shallow, contrived, emotionally-manipulative and poorly researched. It might seem "clever" on the surface but anyone can see how poor it is when they look under that surface. One only has to watch his Dr who episodes : "audience substitute childen", female characters defined by their gender, deus ex machinas, catchphrases for the schoolyard ect.

I attempted to watch this Sherlock show but found it just as poor as his other work. If you want a modern Sherlock Holmes, you'd probably be better off watching an episode of House.


How exactly are females defined by their gender? There aren't even that many in Sherlock.


Not in Sherlock no, but I was clearly refering to Dr who as my critiscm is of Moffat in general. When female characters are defined entirely by things like them being mothers, wives and men they love that's pretty poor writing IMO.

Sherlock itself is just the next in an endless line of a writer thinking they are so clever by remaking an old classic/legend/story and putting it into a contemporary period and filling it with modern tropes and pointless updates IMO :)


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28 Jan 2012, 8:30 pm

But you haven't actually seen it... Okay.