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02 Jul 2012, 12:59 pm

Vince wrote:
Not sure he's a better Batman than Keaton (fighting aside - I think that's a matter of having good stunt coordinators, trainers, et.c., so it's unfair to put that entirely on the actor). I didn't much like Tim Burton's Batman movies, but I don't remember having much of a problem with Keaton's acting specifically, except maybe some of the gesturing.


I don't know, i found Keaton in Tim Burton's movies acting very awkward. But I'm betting it's due to Tim Burton's lack of understanding Batman rather than Keaton's acting. But, he never really acted like Batman in those 2 movies. Especially in batman returns, he couldn't fight to save his life, literally.

Really, my only problem with Bale's performance is the voice. that's it. Everything else was really good.[/quote]



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02 Jul 2012, 1:07 pm

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I don't want to start a fight here, but what bothers me about the new Batman movies is that the fans act like the movies are greater than what they really are. Sure, they are exciting movies, but some people act like they are lightyears above something like Spiderman or Iron Man that takes itself a little less seriously. I still like them, I'm even going to the marathon at AMC theater leading up to the midnight premiere, but I almost did the same for Avengers. (That would have been 6 movies instead of 3 though, I didn't think I had the patience for that). I just don't like that some people think that "The Dark Knight" was a gift from God or something.

I think the thing is that The Dark Knight is probably the most overtly psychological (in the sense that the movie basically spends the whole movie analyzing itself) superhero movie so far, which makes people put it on a pedestal as if it's the best movie ever made. I think it's a great movie, and Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker was on par with Mark Hamill (very different, but equally powerful), but I don't think it's on the whole a "better movie" than for example The Avengers. I don't think it's even possible to compare movies that way. A movie is at best as good as its potential, and I can think of ways in which The Dark Knight could have been slightly better, but I can't think of a way to improve The Avengers. However, that doesn't necessarily make (again, for example) The Avengers a "better movie", since that would raise the question of what it's better at. Different movies have different challenges to live up to, depending on premise, audience expectation, et.c.. If The Avengers had spent two hours analyzing itself psychologically, it wouldn't have worked, but Batman is the kind of franchise where you can spend two hours delving into the psychological implications of Batman vs whatever villain it is, and it works, because that's what Batman is about. I guess I've gone on a tangent, but my point is that people will jump to calling something the best movie ever without thinking about the fact that different movies have different functions.


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