21 Mar 2014, 10:17 am
BlankCanvas wrote:
Moviefan2k4 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I still have to watch most of the Avengers series. I saw the first Thor movie when it was out in theaters, and I've also seen parts of The Avengers, but I haven't watched any of the Iron Man movies or Captain America or the Thor sequels.
On a side note though, is there anything strange about me not really being interested in Captain America? I'm a Canadian, and I've always thought of patriotic American stuff as being rather... silly.
I don't know, but sometimes I just feel like American culture is a bit too dominant and permeating here. I like a lot of things from the US though, don't get me wrong, but I'm a Canadian, not an American.
To understand the symbolism of Captain America, you have to think about what originally inspired the design of the U.S. flag. The star is a symbol of "light holding back the darkness", and the idea is that several of them together can work better than one alone. The upper left corner's blue background is a reference to loyalty, which is commonly associated with that color in many countries. The white stripes represent honor, purity, and virtue, similar to the original intent of a white wedding dress. The red stripes represent courage, bravery, and sacrifice, especially regarding the blood American soldiers have shed to protect both our own country and others' for over 200 years. Captain America represents all those values I mentioned, and it doesn't matter whether you're a citizen or not; if you hold dear and are willing to defend those same values, you're among friends.On a side note though, is there anything strange about me not really being interested in Captain America? I'm a Canadian, and I've always thought of patriotic American stuff as being rather... silly.
I don't know, but sometimes I just feel like American culture is a bit too dominant and permeating here. I like a lot of things from the US though, don't get me wrong, but I'm a Canadian, not an American.Speaking extremely carefully here, I can sort of see why Disney-Marvel were fairly cautious with marketing Captain America outside the USA, so much as retitling it here in the UK as The First Avenger. It's far too easy for some people to confuse ... believing in the values that Cap. is supposed to represent for something less... benign...?
Maybe I'm just thinking too much about socio-political issues that don't really have anything to do with the fictional character other than a name-sharing coincidence. Or I'm uncomfortable with patriotism. Or I'm biased because I just didn't like the movie full-stop (period).
My opinion aside, I can understand why the Captain America movie has its fans, both inside and out of the US, and why there's anticipation for the sequel. It's a well-put-together piece of work and it's good for people to have positive things to believe in.
That and the fact that Captain America has always been a key member of the Avengers, and if the actual Avengers movie went without him it would just seem incomplete.
21 Mar 2014, 3:09 pm
micfranklin wrote:
BlankCanvas wrote:
Moviefan2k4 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I still have to watch most of the Avengers series. I saw the first Thor movie when it was out in theaters, and I've also seen parts of The Avengers, but I haven't watched any of the Iron Man movies or Captain America or the Thor sequels.
On a side note though, is there anything strange about me not really being interested in Captain America? I'm a Canadian, and I've always thought of patriotic American stuff as being rather... silly. I don't know, but sometimes I just feel like American culture is a bit too dominant and permeating here. I like a lot of things from the US though, don't get me wrong, but I'm a Canadian, not an American.
To understand the symbolism of Captain America, you have to think about what originally inspired the design of the U.S. flag. The star is a symbol of "light holding back the darkness", and the idea is that several of them together can work better than one alone. The upper left corner's blue background is a reference to loyalty, which is commonly associated with that color in many countries. The white stripes represent honor, purity, and virtue, similar to the original intent of a white wedding dress. The red stripes represent courage, bravery, and sacrifice, especially regarding the blood American soldiers have shed to protect both our own country and others' for over 200 years. Captain America represents all those values I mentioned, and it doesn't matter whether you're a citizen or not; if you hold dear and are willing to defend those same values, you're among friends.On a side note though, is there anything strange about me not really being interested in Captain America? I'm a Canadian, and I've always thought of patriotic American stuff as being rather... silly.
I don't know, but sometimes I just feel like American culture is a bit too dominant and permeating here. I like a lot of things from the US though, don't get me wrong, but I'm a Canadian, not an American.Speaking extremely carefully here, I can sort of see why Disney-Marvel were fairly cautious with marketing Captain America outside the USA, so much as retitling it here in the UK as The First Avenger. It's far too easy for some people to confuse ... believing in the values that Cap. is supposed to represent for something less... benign...?
Maybe I'm just thinking too much about socio-political issues that don't really have anything to do with the fictional character other than a name-sharing coincidence. Or I'm uncomfortable with patriotism. Or I'm biased because I just didn't like the movie full-stop (period).
My opinion aside, I can understand why the Captain America movie has its fans, both inside and out of the US, and why there's anticipation for the sequel. It's a well-put-together piece of work and it's good for people to have positive things to believe in.
That and the fact that Captain America has always been a key member of the Avengers, and if the actual Avengers movie went without him it would just seem incomplete.
Touché. I did kind of forget there was the whole Tony/Steve friction over who should be leader... my mistake.
24 Mar 2014, 9:03 am
BlankCanvas wrote:
micfranklin wrote:
BlankCanvas wrote:
Moviefan2k4 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I still have to watch most of the Avengers series. I saw the first Thor movie when it was out in theaters, and I've also seen parts of The Avengers, but I haven't watched any of the Iron Man movies or Captain America or the Thor sequels.
On a side note though, is there anything strange about me not really being interested in Captain America? I'm a Canadian, and I've always thought of patriotic American stuff as being rather... silly. I don't know, but sometimes I just feel like American culture is a bit too dominant and permeating here. I like a lot of things from the US though, don't get me wrong, but I'm a Canadian, not an American.
To understand the symbolism of Captain America, you have to think about what originally inspired the design of the U.S. flag. The star is a symbol of "light holding back the darkness", and the idea is that several of them together can work better than one alone. The upper left corner's blue background is a reference to loyalty, which is commonly associated with that color in many countries. The white stripes represent honor, purity, and virtue, similar to the original intent of a white wedding dress. The red stripes represent courage, bravery, and sacrifice, especially regarding the blood American soldiers have shed to protect both our own country and others' for over 200 years. Captain America represents all those values I mentioned, and it doesn't matter whether you're a citizen or not; if you hold dear and are willing to defend those same values, you're among friends.On a side note though, is there anything strange about me not really being interested in Captain America? I'm a Canadian, and I've always thought of patriotic American stuff as being rather... silly.
I don't know, but sometimes I just feel like American culture is a bit too dominant and permeating here. I like a lot of things from the US though, don't get me wrong, but I'm a Canadian, not an American.Speaking extremely carefully here, I can sort of see why Disney-Marvel were fairly cautious with marketing Captain America outside the USA, so much as retitling it here in the UK as The First Avenger. It's far too easy for some people to confuse ... believing in the values that Cap. is supposed to represent for something less... benign...?
Maybe I'm just thinking too much about socio-political issues that don't really have anything to do with the fictional character other than a name-sharing coincidence. Or I'm uncomfortable with patriotism. Or I'm biased because I just didn't like the movie full-stop (period).
My opinion aside, I can understand why the Captain America movie has its fans, both inside and out of the US, and why there's anticipation for the sequel. It's a well-put-together piece of work and it's good for people to have positive things to believe in.
That and the fact that Captain America has always been a key member of the Avengers, and if the actual Avengers movie went without him it would just seem incomplete.
Touché. I did kind of forget there was the whole Tony/Steve friction over who should be leader... my mistake.
And with no Cap, no potential onscreen bromance to make fun of.
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24 Mar 2014, 10:50 am
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Along with the Hulk, Captain America is my favorite Avenger. And I personally think Captain America: The First Avenger is the best Avengers related movie so far. Cap represents the ideals America was built on - a common guy given amazing power, who uses it responsibly and for good. He represents what America is supposed to be.
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I am kinda bummed that there seems to be little interest in another Hulk movie...
...and just to chime in on The Dark Knight series, the modern iteration of Batman certainly has a fascist streak, but the movies are hardly right wing propaganda. If that's what you're getting from it, you aren't paying attention. The struggle with fascist tendencies is just part of Bruce Wayne's internal conflict, and TDKR was a cautionary tale about greed and rampant capitalism, not an endorsement of it.
Thank you for your vote of confidence.
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In all my ranting about the political meaning of the character, I realized I hadn't given my actual opinion of the film. Its actually my favorite of the Phase One slate, with "Avengers" second, and the first "Iron Man" in third. I just watched the Blu-Ray of "Captain America" again last night, and it still holds up very well. Just ten days left until the sequel hits theaters...waiting sucks... 
As for the Red Skull, he wanted to conquer the world because he had a huge ego. Colonel Phillips explained it very plainly: "Johann Schmidt belongs in a nuthouse. He thinks he's a god, and he's willing to blow up half the world to prove it." Dr. Zola reinforces this as well, saying the sanity of Schmidt's plan doesn't matter, because unlike past dictators, he actually has the power to succeed because of the Cube.
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