01 Oct 2018, 7:45 am
EzraS wrote:
I like the original series and first 6 movies best. I've watched those more often than the rest. Haven't watched discovery yet. If darmok likes it it must be ok.
Well, I'm a hardcore Trekkie, so I like all Star Trek, whether it's good or not.
Discovery has some very good parts. The visuals are excellent (except the spinning ship; there was a much better way they could have done that). The lead, Burnham, was very well done right from the start -- in a lot of the other series it has taken quite a while for the characters to become defined. The captains/admirals are pretty good. Gratuitous gay couple is gratuitous. The Klingon religion theme is excellent -- definitely movie quality ideas there, but I'm not sure the writers will be up to it. And I'm sorry to say ... space mycelium? Really? That's one dumb idea. It might be salvageable, but at the moment, it's dumb.
01 Oct 2018, 2:59 pm
01 Oct 2018, 7:17 pm
The cast has been chosen for the next ST series.
12 Oct 2018, 12:46 am
12 Oct 2018, 8:03 am
Darmok wrote:
The cast has been chosen for the next ST series.
Ohhhh... Chekov is a Russian Blue! Nice touch!
16 Oct 2018, 1:58 am
27 Oct 2018, 5:58 pm
06 Nov 2018, 5:47 pm
OMG, it's Shatner Claus! This is the coolest thing ever!
10 Nov 2018, 3:17 am
auntblabby wrote:
how many other people here have seen Harlan Ellison's original screen treatment of "city on the edge of forever"?
I have, and I've also seen the comic book series that Harlan Ellison personally approved that displays it.
It's a fine effort, although I'll never be able to displace my feelings about the ST episode, which I regard as a classic.
As I understand it, Yeoman Rand was already gone or about to be, so that element alone wouldn't have worked. The dope addict angle could have been good, but in a 48-minute episode, the treatment would have been shallow. They could have made it a double episode, as they did with Menagerie/The Cage. I really thought that Ellison's treatment of Rodent was far better, though. Rather than just an aimless drunken bum, in Ellison's version he was a maimed World War I veteran. However, I don't like the implication that in either case that his death wouldn't have changed history. That's not just a matter of being charitable. To me, any change, no matter how small, is going to have an outcome sometime later down the timeline. Of course, adopting that approach would negate the whole point of trying to reverse whatever McCoy/Dope Addict did.
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10 Nov 2018, 3:23 am
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auntblabby wrote:
how many other people here have seen Harlan Ellison's original screen treatment of "city on the edge of forever"?
I have, and I've also seen the comic book series that Harlan Ellison personally approved that displays it. It's a fine effort, although I'll never be able to displace my feelings about the ST episode, which I regard as a classic. As I understand it, Yeoman Rand was already gone or about to be, so that element alone wouldn't have worked. The dope addict angle could have been good, but in a 48-minute episode, the treatment would have been shallow. They could have made it a double episode, as they did with Menagerie/The Cage. I really thought that Ellison's treatment of Rodent was far better, though. Rather than just an aimless drunken bum, in Ellison's version he was a maimed World War I veteran. However, I don't like the implication that in either case that his death wouldn't have changed history. That's not just a matter of being charitable. To me, any change, no matter how small, is going to have an outcome sometime later down the timeline. Of course, adopting that approach would negate the whole point of trying to reverse whatever McCoy/Dope Addict did.
they had to recognize that in America at the time, 6th grade level was considered the average public comprehension level so they hadda adapt the story to fit within both the limits of American comprehension as well as network budget limits, the episode as originally written would have used up the whole year's budget. somebody should make a mini-series based on it sometime.
10 Nov 2018, 9:43 am
auntblabby wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
how many other people here have seen Harlan Ellison's original screen treatment of "city on the edge of forever"?
I have, and I've also seen the comic book series that Harlan Ellison personally approved that displays it. It's a fine effort, although I'll never be able to displace my feelings about the ST episode, which I regard as a classic. As I understand it, Yeoman Rand was already gone or about to be, so that element alone wouldn't have worked. The dope addict angle could have been good, but in a 48-minute episode, the treatment would have been shallow. They could have made it a double episode, as they did with Menagerie/The Cage. I really thought that Ellison's treatment of Rodent was far better, though. Rather than just an aimless drunken bum, in Ellison's version he was a maimed World War I veteran. However, I don't like the implication that in either case that his death wouldn't have changed history. That's not just a matter of being charitable. To me, any change, no matter how small, is going to have an outcome sometime later down the timeline. Of course, adopting that approach would negate the whole point of trying to reverse whatever McCoy/Dope Addict did.
they had to recognize that in America at the time, 6th grade level was considered the average public comprehension level so they hadda adapt the story to fit within both the limits of American comprehension as well as network budget limits, the episode as originally written would have used up the whole year's budget. somebody should make a mini-series based on it sometime.
A miniseries using the Harlan Ellison script? That's a great idea!
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11 Nov 2018, 12:50 am
^^^ 
if they could do it for "the handmaid's tale" and "the man in the high castle," Ellison should be next on the list, I wonder why more of his stuff hasn't been made into visual entertainment?
12 Nov 2018, 6:33 am
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12 Nov 2018, 6:02 pm
auntblabby wrote:
^^^ if they could do it for "the handmaid's tale" and "the man in the high castle," Ellison should be next on the list, I wonder why more of his stuff hasn't been made into visual entertainment?
if they could do it for "the handmaid's tale" and "the man in the high castle," Ellison should be next on the list, I wonder why more of his stuff hasn't been made into visual entertainment?I think that some of his best, like I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream would be really difficult to portray on the screen, so that's part of the reason. But I suspect that Hollywood's formulaic and profit-centered approach to film/TV is probably an even bigger factor. There's a wealth of unused material out there.
Here's a thought concerning the original City as envisioned by Ellison, maybe a fan-based treatment along the lines of Star Trek Continues could work.
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