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22 Jan 2013, 12:06 am

Ok, so here are some of my thoughts on the episode.

So, I find it ironic how in the end Discord was only defeated because Fluttershy lost faith in her attempts to reform Discord through kindess. See, I think it's pretty clear that Fluttershy is too socially naive and kind to actually form a gambit like Discord suggested, she wasn't using "I'm not your friend anymore" as a tactic, she was just frustrated and was being honest. She was hurt. Discord's gambit was that Fluttershy would just foolishly keep giving him more kindness in an attempt to reform him, and he would have complete control over her. It wasn't until Fluttershy finally gave up that he realized he liked Fluttershy's kindness, he liked having as a "friend", and it was only then that he realized it was his fault he couldn't have friendship. After all that time he finally realized the true importance of friendship. Now, this is ironic because the only reason Fluttershy succeeded was because she thought she had failed.

Now, if Fluttershy never even tried she would have failed, but if she just kept at it forever she would have failed equally. This incorporates some elements of "Achievements in Ignorance" where Fluttershy manages to accomplish a task anyone with more experience in the field would find to be impossible simply because she believed it was possible, but while she is naive, she isn't stupid. She isn't going to endlessly pursue a futile cause. That duality is what caused her to win in the end. Also, we know Discord's reform is genuine because he was at a point of greatest power when he was reformed, he would have had no motivation at that point to fake being reformed.

I think the message that came out of this is very mature and important. Fluttershy is, to say the least, not the most socially cunning pony, but she still has her kindness, and that's all she needs. Ironically enough that theme came up in a seminary video this morning. All she needed to do was reach out to Discord and give him a chance, something anyone can do, but no one did. Fluttershy managed to win Discord over not by being manipulative, but just by being herself, sticking true to her standards and integrity, and giving kindness even to some one who didn't really deserve it. Kindness isn't a technique she uses to manipulate, it's just who she is, she is the only pony able to acknowledge Discord's flaws, but still look past them and treat him as a person. I saw Les Mis back on Saturday, and the same themes can be seen in that movie. On another point which shows even more maturity with writing, Fluttershy's giving up shows us that there are times when for everyone's sake we need to stop being "nice" because, like seen in Putting Your Hoof Down, sometimes people will take advantage of it, and in the long run it won't really help anyone, leaving the giver drained and the taker deprived of needed personal growth. This episode does well to develop Fluttershy's character, really building up her as the element of kindness and making her a more admirable character, not just a cute one.

Regarding other points in the episode, I still don't get why of all times to reform Discord Celestia does it now, and it's a bit disappointing that Discord is presumably no longer a villain. Not a nice thing to think, but this is entertainment. I found Discord to be in character, one that made sense, and that the progress of the episode made sense, though Discord's conclusion and reforming were a bit unrealistically sudden. Overall, the episode exceeded my expectations.


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22 Jan 2013, 4:01 pm

It is definitely a very profound, mature plot. Fluttershy truly made some interesting decisions there, and it taught me a lesson....all friendships require some sacrifice to work. In that sense it is much like music composition...if all instruments are extremely technical, it doesn't work. However, rather than the other instruments dragging the instrumentalists down, they merely give more definition for the overall sound. I rather like that metaphor.

I find that Fluttershy is slowly proving that kindness can truly overcome anything....not in a peachy kind of way, but a Martin Luther King kind of way. However, I think she knew Discord was going to become an issue, given that she told the other mane 5 that she knew he wasn't a good person.

It was a marvelous episode...however, I disagree on one thing. The ending wasn't abrupt as much as it is that Discord just realized the sacrifices involved in friendship at that moment. He gained something worth defending.

I do wonder how Discord will appear now...


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26 Jan 2013, 5:26 pm

So, help me out here...in Wonderbolts Academy, did Rainbow Dash get kicked out of the academy for her moral stand, or was she given an honorary membership for it? And regardless of the answer...what will come after she becomes a wonder bolt/gives up that dream?


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27 Jan 2013, 6:42 am

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So, help me out here...in Wonderbolts Academy, did Rainbow Dash get kicked out of the academy for her moral stand, or was she given an honorary membership for it? And regardless of the answer...what will come after she becomes a wonder bolt/gives up that dream?


She wasn't kicked out, she was made a Lead Pony.


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27 Jan 2013, 10:52 am

Then it shall be interesting to see how Rainbow Dash leads the Wonderbolts.


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27 Jan 2013, 12:11 pm

Oh god...if anyone mentions Cupcakes, don't search it. I am thoroughly disturbed.


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28 Jan 2013, 2:21 am

SanityTheorist wrote:
Then it shall be interesting to see how Rainbow Dash leads the Wonderbolts.


Not the leader of the Wonderbolts, just in her pair or of the group of students.


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28 Jan 2013, 10:20 pm

Wonder what the last ep of S3 will be about? Hmm....


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28 Jan 2013, 11:12 pm

equestriatola wrote:
Wonder what the last ep of S3 will be about? Hmm....


Cutie marks will be swapped and Twilly will become an alicorn and kill Celestia,


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29 Jan 2013, 3:21 pm

I never understood what an alicorn was...

I am gonna guess it will involve Luna and the now purified Discord having a disagreement that causes chaos across Equestria.


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29 Jan 2013, 11:51 pm

I LOVE THIS SHOW!

Its so well crafted and very likeable, my favorite pony of them all is Derpy Hooves!

I also love Pegasi in general like Fluttershy and Rainbow Dash.

I think season 3 has been very good too! I didn't like the Crystal Empire very much, King Sombre was a horrible villain



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30 Jan 2013, 10:54 pm

Funny fan comics here:

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31 Jan 2013, 3:45 pm

I have been noticing there are a lot of disturbing fanfics involving this series...including the infamous Cupcakes, the "Luna Game" series and a crossover with an adult horror survival game called "Amnesia." Ponies should really just stay cute...I'm fine with artists adding their own take on things, but that is just going waaay too far.


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01 Feb 2013, 2:18 am

SanityTheorist wrote:
I have been noticing there are a lot of disturbing fanfics involving this series...including the infamous Cupcakes, the "Luna Game" series and a crossover with an adult horror survival game called "Amnesia." Ponies should really just stay cute...I'm fine with artists adding their own take on things, but that is just going waaay too far.


The dichotomy between the cute and the gruesome is what makes dark works like Cupcakes popular.


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