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29 Jun 2010, 2:18 pm

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yeah black people call each other n****r, that means you can too right?!

you're such a bigoted moron.

I actually never understood why we aren't allowed to say it, or any other derogative term that had it's meaning changed by those it was originally meant to demean.

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29 Jun 2010, 3:09 pm

Lecks wrote:

irishaspie wrote:

yeah black people call each other n****r, that means you can too right?!

you're such a bigoted moron.

I actually never understood why we aren't allowed to say it, or any other derogative term that had it's meaning changed by those it was originally meant to demean.

swearing isnt specific words that we use, but the energy we emit. So pretty much any word could be considered a 'swear-word', depending on the context, the way its said & the intention behind it.

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30 Jun 2010, 10:22 am

psych wrote:

Lecks wrote:

irishaspie wrote:

yeah black people call each other n****r, that means you can too right?!

you're such a bigoted moron.

I actually never understood why we aren't allowed to say it, or any other derogative term that had it's meaning changed by those it was originally meant to demean.

swearing isnt specific words that we use, but the energy we emit. So pretty much any word could be considered a 'swear-word', depending on the context, the way its said & the intention behind it.

That still doesn't explain why it's not acceptable, under any circumstance, for a white person to call a black person a n****r yet black people call eachother n****r without any repercussions.

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30 Jun 2010, 11:15 am

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Oh, yes. Loose Women. Don't get me started on that. That Lynda Bellingham should have stuck to doing the Oxo adverts, stupid cow. And the rest of them? Would there be a real loss to humankind if they were never seen or heard of again?

It's a shame there isn't a male equivilant called Lads United or something who constantly bash women. Would like to see how long it'd take before Loose women's audience kicked up a fuss. Hypocrites.

James Corden needs to be lined up and shot as well, being the talentless unfunny fat bastard that he is.

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30 Jun 2010, 7:17 pm

Lecks wrote:

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Lecks wrote:

irishaspie wrote:

yeah black people call each other n****r, that means you can too right?!

you're such a bigoted moron.

I actually never understood why we aren't allowed to say it, or any other derogative term that had it's meaning changed by those it was originally meant to demean.

swearing isnt specific words that we use, but the energy we emit. So pretty much any word could be considered a 'swear-word', depending on the context, the way its said & the intention behind it.

That still doesn't explain why it's not acceptable, under any circumstance, for a white person to call a black person a n****r yet black people call eachother n****r without any repercussions.

it might be social dogma there, but... can you imagine any circumstance where a white person would want to call a black person a n****r* anyway? without being indicative of bigotry or wanting to cause offense?

note: the modern slang word 'n***a' popularized in hip-hop should be considered as something different, having a much more elastic meaning in regards to race.

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01 Jul 2010, 5:11 pm

The BBC employs him because we threw him out of Ireland after this photoshoot:

Apologies in advance for any trauma that I might have caused here.

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04 Jul 2010, 3:13 pm

Tequila wrote:

irishaspie wrote:

you're such a bigoted moron.

I'll take the 'bigoted' bit and wear it with pride, 'cos I am a bigot. Not sure about the moron though.

And anyway, it's not just Graham Norton I dislike - see the other names too. They are all English.

I think it's the fact you called him a poof, it comes across as homophobic, which is irrational and probably delusional...

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05 Jul 2010, 9:17 am

I suspect that there might be a British--American culture issue here. 'Poof' isn't considered very offensive on this side of the Atlantic (England, Ireland). Most people think of it as semi comic and relate it to monty python type humor.

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05 Jul 2010, 4:27 pm

Wuffles wrote:

Most Yanks don't know the words poof or poofter and those of us who do are usually Monty Python fans. So typically "poof" has even less inflammatory context over here than it might in the Isles. It's just not a very common word over here at all.

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05 Jul 2010, 4:29 pm

wblastyn wrote:

I think it's the fact you called him a poof, it comes across as homophobic, which is irrational and probably delusional...

Is he Irish? Yes.
Is he a poof? Yes.

So he's an Irish poof, yes?

I rest my case.

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05 Jul 2010, 6:01 pm

Tequila wrote:

Is he Irish? Yes.
Is he a poof? Yes.

So he's an Irish poof, yes?

I must admit you've got a point there.

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06 Jul 2010, 10:55 am

Tequila wrote:

wblastyn wrote:

I think it's the fact you called him a poof, it comes across as homophobic, which is irrational and probably delusional...

Is he Irish? Yes.
Is he a poof? Yes.

So he's an Irish poof, yes?

I rest my case.

its like when a newspaper says 'an [asylum seeker/african etc] stabbed someone yesterday' why highlight the persons ethnicity in the heading specifically?

the reader can be forgiven for thinking there is a subtext - that there must be some implied relevance between the violence and the race (or in this case graham nortons homosexuality and your not feeling suitably entertained) otherwise why would the author have drawn attention to it in the title?

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06 Jul 2010, 3:47 pm

Lecks wrote:

That still doesn't explain why it's not acceptable, under any circumstance, for a white person to call a black person a n****r yet black people call eachother n****r without any repercussions.

Quite simple, it's repossession of language.

When gay friend calls me a fag, it is internalized--we both recognize each other to be inside the same identified class of people, and the label applies as much to him as it does to me. But if an outsider refers to me this way, then there is no such commonality of experience.

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06 Jul 2010, 4:53 pm

psych wrote:

its like when a newspaper says 'an [asylum seeker/african etc] stabbed someone yesterday' why highlight the persons ethnicity in the heading specifically?

I don't know about you, but I very rarely see headlines like that, but I very frequently see headlines in the passive voice ("Teen stabbed to death outside school gates" etc). However, I appreciate you are just trying to draw an analogy.

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06 Jul 2010, 6:00 pm

It is worth noting that Graham Norton describes himself as "your favourite Shiny Irish Poof" in the blurb for his TV shows. I'm really not seeing how this is an offensive post. Heck, it's a quote.

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06 Jul 2010, 9:58 pm

Wuffles wrote:

It is worth noting that Graham Norton describes himself as "your favourite Shiny Irish Poof" in the blurb for his TV shows. I'm really not seeing how this is an offensive post. Heck, it's a quote.

its not an offensive because its a quote.

a problem is that people are too focused on structure, they want clear right/wrong guidelines on what words are acceptable when really this is putting the cart before the horse - the only thing that really matters is the intention behind the words. When graham norton wrote that he was being self-referential. He obviously feels that his gayness is a defining part of his persona, and sees that as being a good thing. its the 'commonality of experience' thing that visagrunt spoke of.

i worked in a psychiatric hospital where some staff didnt have great english, one of the nurses was under the impression that 'psychopath' was an acceptable synonym for mental patients generally

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