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28 Mar 2013, 5:54 pm

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By the way, I wonder what you think about genetic engineering and bio-engineering. In Star Trek the development of these sciences is condemned

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29 Mar 2013, 1:39 am

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The Eugenic Wars :D


By the way, I wonder what you think about genetic engineering and bio-engineering.
In Star Trek the development of these sciences is condemned

Mostly because of the note in your first line. They forbade genetic engineering of humans in the wake of Khan and his ilk, and the wars they fought in their belief in their innate superiority; it was expanded to all sapient species after Soong's experiment with augmenting Klingons.

I'm not really sure they were down on bioengineering in toto, though - there's no telling, because they could just make things with the replicators, so if they had bioengineered foodstuffs, you'd never know.


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29 Mar 2013, 2:15 am

You just got me super excited. I'm not a HUGE FAN of Star Trek, but I have no bad feelings toward it. I'm a huge Doctor Who fan! But Star Trek is definitely on my list of things to fully watch <3



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29 Mar 2013, 6:02 am

DeaconBlues wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
The Eugenic Wars :D


By the way, I wonder what you think about genetic engineering and bio-engineering.
In Star Trek the development of these sciences is condemned

Mostly because of the note in your first line. They forbade genetic engineering of humans in the wake of Khan and his ilk, and the wars they fought in their belief in their innate superiority; it was expanded to all sapient species after Soong's experiment with augmenting Klingons.

I'm not really sure they were down on bioengineering in toto, though - there's no telling, because they could just make things with the replicators, so if they had bioengineered foodstuffs, you'd never know.


Actually Dr. Song doesn't experimented which Klingon augments, they stole his work after seeing Human augments in action, but the mess smoothing creating deadly pathogen that nearly kill entirely their species, during this time Dr. Song was in prison, he lost all hope for augmenting human species, he switched to cybernetic instead to create, artificial human being, which we knew as Mr. DATA :D



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29 Mar 2013, 8:20 am

pawelk1986 wrote:
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i have no faith whatsoever, that humanity will be able to avoid the great self-destruction.

humanity couldn't avoid the great self-destruction in star trek either...


The Eugenic Wars :D

By the way, I wonder what you think about genetic engineering and bio-engineering.
In Star Trek the development of these sciences is condemned

and if you include the alternative futures of a self-destroyed earth in the temporal cold war, and the xindi attack, as mentioned in "enterprise"...

i think the Star Trek condemnation of genetic engineering is valid and considering when it was made, was ahead of its time. it is the basic criticism that morality and ethics do not match the too rapid developments in genetic manipulation.

speaking of movies, a recent movie called "Splice" was pretty creepy because the premise is not so far fetched



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30 Mar 2013, 11:28 am

I wish it would become true but it just doesn't look like it will happen (if at all) in our lifetimes... :( but that doesn't mean that some of the technologies won't become a reality. I mean sci-fi flicks were the first things to feature hand held communications and personall computers and here we are! with smart phones, i mean you never know what will happen


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30 Mar 2013, 11:49 am

pawelk1986 wrote:
...he switched to cybernetic instead to create, artificial human being, which we knew as Mr. DATA :D

That was Noonien Soong, his grandson. Remember, ENT takes place in the mid-22nd century, about a hundred years before the original series, while TNG, with Data, takes place in the mid-24th, about a hundred years after Kirk & Co.


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30 Mar 2013, 12:14 pm

DeaconBlues wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
...he switched to cybernetic instead to create, artificial human being, which we knew as Mr. DATA :D

That was Noonien Soong, his grandson. Remember, ENT takes place in the mid-22nd century, about a hundred years before the original series, while TNG, with Data, takes place in the mid-24th, about a hundred years after Kirk & Co.
True bot at the end of the ep he was starting work & said how he likely wouldn't be able to finish so Nooniem Soong icked up where he left off. I guess in a way he was like Data's grandpa.


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31 Mar 2013, 9:26 am

nick007 wrote:
DeaconBlues wrote:
pawelk1986 wrote:
...he switched to cybernetic instead to create, artificial human being, which we knew as Mr. DATA :D

That was Noonien Soong, his grandson. Remember, ENT takes place in the mid-22nd century, about a hundred years before the original series, while TNG, with Data, takes place in the mid-24th, about a hundred years after Kirk & Co.
True bot at the end of the ep he was starting work & said how he likely wouldn't be able to finish so Nooniem Soong icked up where he left off. I guess in a way he was like Data's grandpa.


Data Grandpa:-)
It's one of my favorite episode of ST:ENT, mainly due Brent Spiner, who played DATA in TNG.
But when i watched the episode i noticed the Arik Soong is more similar to Data evil psycho brother Lore than to Data himself.

I'd also noticed that Data father Noonian Soong maybe named after Khan Singh because his middle name is Noonian, is quite funny it's like somebody named his children Adolf after "You-Know-Who" :D