Why is the NC-17 rating considered box office poison still?

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03 Jan 2021, 5:03 pm

The worst part of it is how Hollywood is dominating foreign movie markets as well - so even here in Europe, where anyone I know thinks of Showgirls as a hilarious postmodern masterpiece and the nudity is - well, just that.(our children's films tend to have nudity in them to normalize it - and children tend to not care anyway. Nudity, not sex, I should add).

So, because some bible belters can't handle nipples, the rest of the world has to watch their gore-dripping nightmare fuel that gets a PG13 rating in the US - and an 18 rating over here.....


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03 Jan 2021, 9:49 pm

i must say that the rest of the world can and should just turn their backs on the american product.



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03 Jan 2021, 9:51 pm

i remember when i was a teen in the 70s, "blazing saddles" was new in the theatres, it got an R rating for unknown reasons, but the same unedited film [with an additional racy scene deleted from the american version] got a G rating up north in canada! this was an R film without so much as one scene of nudity or one F-word. no graphic violence, hardly any language to speak of, still it got an R. amazing. and embarrassing.



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03 Jan 2021, 11:08 pm

shlaifu wrote:
The worst part of it is how Hollywood is dominating foreign movie markets as well - so even here in Europe, where anyone I know thinks of Showgirls as a hilarious postmodern masterpiece and the nudity is - well, just that.(our children's films tend to have nudity in them to normalize it - and children tend to not care anyway. Nudity, not sex, I should add).

So, because some bible belters can't handle nipples, the rest of the world has to watch their gore-dripping nightmare fuel that gets a PG13 rating in the US - and an 18 rating over here.....


but since Europe and Asia make a lot of movies that are darker and more dramatic than Hollywood movies, wouldn't the foreign market think of Hollywood as more prudish or too soft in their entertainment?



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03 Jan 2021, 11:15 pm

ironpony wrote:
shlaifu wrote:
The worst part of it is how Hollywood is dominating foreign movie markets as well - so even here in Europe, where anyone I know thinks of Showgirls as a hilarious postmodern masterpiece and the nudity is - well, just that.(our children's films tend to have nudity in them to normalize it - and children tend to not care anyway. Nudity, not sex, I should add).

So, because some bible belters can't handle nipples, the rest of the world has to watch their gore-dripping nightmare fuel that gets a PG13 rating in the US - and an 18 rating over here.....


but since Europe and Asia make a lot of movies that are darker and more dramatic than Hollywood movies, wouldn't the foreign market think of Hollywood as more prudish or too soft in their entertainment?

a lot of unsophisticated viewers in the rest of the world are drawn to the flashiness of hollywood product. even if it is a largely innocuous flashiness.



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06 Jan 2021, 3:20 pm

Oh okay, I didn't that.

So nowadays since no one hardly goes to theater anymore, do people still care about the NC-17 rating if they are watching movies through streaming all the time now in their homes, compared to going to the theater? Will more NC-17 movies be coming out now as a result of theaters going out of business?



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07 Jan 2021, 4:40 am

auntblabby wrote:
i remember when i was a teen in the 70s, "blazing saddles" was new in the theatres, it got an R rating for unknown reasons, but the same unedited film [with an additional racy scene deleted from the american version] got a G rating up north in canada! this was an R film without so much as one scene of nudity or one F-word. no graphic violence, hardly any language to speak of, still it got an R. amazing. and embarrassing.


Not even for the racial slurs?


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07 Jan 2021, 5:03 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i remember when i was a teen in the 70s, "blazing saddles" was new in the theatres, it got an R rating for unknown reasons, but the same unedited film [with an additional racy scene deleted from the american version] got a G rating up north in canada! this was an R film without so much as one scene of nudity or one F-word. no graphic violence, hardly any language to speak of, still it got an R. amazing. and embarrassing.


Not even for the racial slurs?

3 years before, worse racial language was used in the TV movie "brian's song," and routinely on many episodes of "all in the family."



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07 Jan 2021, 5:04 am

ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, I didn't that.

So nowadays since no one hardly goes to theater anymore, do people still care about the NC-17 rating if they are watching movies through streaming all the time now in their homes, compared to going to the theater? Will more NC-17 movies be coming out now as a result of theaters going out of business?

a lot of movies are bypassing CARA/MPAA rating altogether and going out unrated. no advertising in newspapers other than in big cities.



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12 Jan 2021, 3:34 pm

Oh okay, I thought it was worse to go unrated because I thought people would be less likely to see a movie if they couldn't find a rating for it, unless that's not true?



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13 Jan 2021, 6:36 am

To conservatives, the question "is it family friendly?" really means "could this movie/TV show/song/book have been made in the 1950s?" In the 50s, you couldn't even say words like "pregnant" on television.

Blue states are cultural paradises.

Seattle has the Center for Sex-Positive Research, which hosts an erotic art festival.
Portland has a Naked Bike Ride
Reykjavik, Iceland has the Icelandic Phallological Museum (basically, a penis museum)

Red states, on the other hand, are cultural wastelands.

Montgomery County, TX (just outside of Houston) has this to contend with:

https://www.chron.com/neighborhood/article/Resident-complaints-cause-cover-up-of-statue-9950403.php

(The article is nearly 20 years old, but it's still relevant)

In 2019, Alabama Public Television wouldn't show an episode of Arthur because it featured a gay couple. In 2005, APT wouldn't show an episode of Postcards from Buster because it showed a lesbian couple.

A drive-in movie theater in Henagar, Alabama wouldn't show the live action Beauty and the Beast movie (2017) because one of the characters was gay.

In 2013, KSL, Salt Lake City's NBC affiliate, moved Days of Our Lives to the middle of the night because of a story line with a gay couple. In 2004, KSL wouldn't show the U.S. adaptation of the UK sitcom "Coupling" because of the show's content.

In 1997, then-Rep. Tom Coburn (R-OK), went into total meltdown mode because NBC showed Schindler's List unedited. It wasn't because of the frightening or intense scenes depicting the Holocaust's atrocities. It was because the people in the gas chambers were naked---no other reason.

And that doesn't even include their repeated onslaughts on animated sitcoms (Simpsons, South Park, et al). It makes perfect sense why the genre is least popular in the Deep South and Utah.


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14 Jan 2021, 3:08 am

ironpony wrote:
Oh okay, I thought it was worse to go unrated because I thought people would be less likely to see a movie if they couldn't find a rating for it, unless that's not true?

the bible belt generation is dying off.