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12 Jan 2021, 12:30 am

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Oh okay. I didn't think Gone with the Wind was cancelled though, you can still watch the movie, or buy it last time I checked, can't you?

But I guess I just felt it seems kind of hypocritical when movies nowadays will just be thought of the same as Gone with the Wind for example, in the future.


My understanding is that streaming services do not make this movie available to their new customers.


Oh okay, but since when do streaming services care about older movies. I can't even find anything hardly before the 2000s on Netflix for example. So I didn't think of it as cancelled, just that streaming services don't have a lot of taste in older movies, since most are not on there.



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12 Jan 2021, 12:55 am

Because they are racist/sexist. People just accepted racism/sexism more when those movies were made.

Cultures change. People don’t accept overt racism/sexism like they used to. Modern movies that include those things portray them in a different context, usually to teach people that they’re wrong. And if they ARE overtly racist/sexist, it’s because the character or story is supposed to be, not because it’s portraying a broadly accepted cultural norm of racism/sexism.

People and cultures evolve over time. So does our entertainment. 30-40+ years from now things will be different yet again and today’s films may be criticized for something. So what? People make films for Today that people will pay to watch. Same as always. So, cater your film to today’s audience and don’t worry about old movies or what people are going to think in 30-40 years.


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12 Jan 2021, 1:42 am

Well that's the part that kind of feels hypocritical or like a double standard to me. Let's say a person today hates Gone with the Wind, but they like a movie like say... Forrest Gump. In 50 or more years, people will look back and see that movie as a racist/sexist piece of trash. So how can hate Gone with the Wind for being seen that way, but they like Forrest Gump knowing that in 50 plus years, there favorite movie could very well be seen that way? Don't people feel hypocritical for that?



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12 Jan 2021, 1:49 am

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Well that's the part that kind of feels hypocritical or like a double standard to me. Let's say a person today hates Gone with the Wind, but they like a movie like say... Forrest Gump. In 50 or more years, people will look back and see that movie as a racist/sexist piece of trash. So how can hate Gone with the Wind for being seen that way, but they like Forrest Gump knowing that in 50 plus years, there favorite movie could very well be seen that way? Don't people feel hypocritical for that?

They dont. And why should they?



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12 Jan 2021, 2:38 am

Well I guess I just feel like a hypocrite, judging older movies for being 'barbaric' or sexist and racist, and my favorite movies will probably be seen that way, decades from now. So I guess I just feel that way, for some reason, if I were to judge older movies that way.



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12 Jan 2021, 3:22 am

Well, I am sure that the movie Forrest Gump has elements that could be seen as problematic and are worth analysis to certain things not be perpetuated. If you love a movie, you should want it to be seen through various different lenses.


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12 Jan 2021, 11:20 am

ironpony wrote:
Well I guess I just feel like a hypocrite, judging older movies for being 'barbaric' or sexist and racist, and my favorite movies will probably be seen that way, decades from now. So I guess I just feel that way, for some reason, if I were to judge older movies that way.


What about people? I wouldn't want to be friends with a murderer so is it hypocritical to be friends with anyone because they might turn out to be a murderer in the future? Or if we should eventually forgive the murderer should we also "forgive" old films? (Obviously there is more chance of a film being seen as offensive than someone being a murderer but you know what I mean.)


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12 Jan 2021, 1:04 pm

ironpony wrote:
Well that's the part that kind of feels hypocritical or like a double standard to me. Let's say a person today hates Gone with the Wind, but they like a movie like say... Forrest Gump. In 50 or more years, people will look back and see that movie as a racist/sexist piece of trash. So how can hate Gone with the Wind for being seen that way, but they like Forrest Gump knowing that in 50 plus years, there favorite movie could very well be seen that way? Don't people feel hypocritical for that?


No.

Because they’re always correct for the time period they’re in.

Cultures and perspectives change.


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12 Jan 2021, 2:32 pm

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Well I guess I just feel like a hypocrite, judging older movies for being 'barbaric' or sexist and racist, and my favorite movies will probably be seen that way, decades from now. So I guess I just feel that way, for some reason, if I were to judge older movies that way.


What about people? I wouldn't want to be friends with a murderer so is it hypocritical to be friends with anyone because they might turn out to be a murderer in the future? Or if we should eventually forgive the murderer should we also "forgive" old films? (Obviously there is more chance of a film being seen as offensive than someone being a murderer but you know what I mean.)


Oh well I guess I thought that movies were different because it's a matter of taste compared to real life events, like murder I thought.



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13 Jan 2021, 10:48 am

censorship and revisionism is now dominant mainstream ideology.


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13 Jan 2021, 10:58 am

ironpony wrote:
Well that's the part that kind of feels hypocritical or like a double standard to me. Let's say a person today hates Gone with the Wind, but they like a movie like say... Forrest Gump. In 50 or more years, people will look back and see that movie as a racist/sexist piece of trash. So how can hate Gone with the Wind for being seen that way, but they like Forrest Gump knowing that in 50 plus years, there favorite movie could very well be seen that way? Don't people feel hypocritical for that?


You're an individual.

It's only hypocritical if you think Forrest Gump is sexist/racist yourself & choose to ignore it because your friends think it's cool and focus on the stuff your friends think is sexist/racist instead.

Or if you think bad stuff of it and watch it anyway. Which tbh with some of these extreme SJW types is the only way they can unwind, because everything is problematic to some degree.


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13 Jan 2021, 10:59 am

theprisoner wrote:
censorship and revisionism is now dominant mainstream ideology.


Twas ever thus.

At least we let our wives, sons, servants and even grown up daughters read Lady Chatterley's Lover 8O


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13 Jan 2021, 11:04 am

ironpony wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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Oh okay. I didn't think Gone with the Wind was cancelled though, you can still watch the movie, or buy it last time I checked, can't you?

But I guess I just felt it seems kind of hypocritical when movies nowadays will just be thought of the same as Gone with the Wind for example, in the future.


My understanding is that streaming services do not make this movie available to their new customers.


Oh okay, but since when do streaming services care about older movies. I can't even find anything hardly before the 2000s on Netflix for example. So I didn't think of it as cancelled, just that streaming services don't have a lot of taste in older movies, since most are not on there.


I think it does exist it just requires you to watch similar kinds of things on Netflix for a while, I mean similar as in if you watch one genre.

I get a lot of Hitchcock for eg recommended to me because Netflix knows I like horror and have watched it in the past.


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13 Jan 2021, 11:11 am

anybody else feel that media seemed alot edgier in the 90s , 2000s. now i know there as always been censorship in human history, but that era is where my sensibilities were moulded for better or worse.


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13 Jan 2021, 11:44 am

KT67 wrote:
I think it does exist it just requires you to watch similar kinds of things on Netflix for a while, I mean similar as in if you watch one genre.

I get a lot of Hitchcock for eg recommended to me because Netflix knows I like horror and have watched it in the past.

When we watched "Vertigo" Netflix warned us that it had sexual content but there didn't seem to be any at all (strange and possibly relevant to how sensitive they think we are). It seems to have a few classics available but a lot of older films we searched for haven't been on there.


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13 Jan 2021, 11:53 am

It strikes me that nowadays they would probably have a sex scene (although not all the way if it's on British/American stuff, I'm watching Freud and the sex scenes in that shock me even as someone who watches quite a bit of British/American 'sex scenes') in order to cover up that one of the characters smoked a cigarette...

(In the days of the Hays code, they used to smoke cigarettes to symbolise that sex had taken place. Nowadays smoking = more shocking than consensual adult sex...)


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