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05 Aug 2007, 2:15 am

This has already been fairly thoroughly picked over here: http://www.wrongplanet.net/modules.php? ... highlight=



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05 Aug 2007, 8:43 am

This interview is worth listening to:

"Diagnosing U.S. Health Care — and 'Sicko,' Too"
Fresh Air from WHYY, July 9, 2007
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=11826524



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05 Aug 2007, 11:44 am

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Well we generally have the best system for a number of reasons. We have the best doctors in the world, we attract the best doctors, and always have. We have the most advanced equipment, and more of it per person. There are eight times more magnetic-resonance-imaging units (the latest improvement on X-rays), seven times more radiation-therapy units (used in the treatment of cancer), about six times more lithoptripsy units (used for nonsurgical removal of kidney stones), and about three times more open-heart surgery units and cardiac-catheterization units per capita in the United States than in Canada. We have much shorter wait times. And we have a decent safety net that covers a lot disadvantaged people.



do you have health insurance, Wiggerbeater? Are you adequately covered and your family? Do you have access to this state of the art equipment and able to pay for doctors and procedures and room and board when you need long term care?


Yes, I have a NY medicaid card. It pays for everything. All my prescriptions. I have probably $250 worth of prescriptions a month, that I only pay $3 for out of pocket combined. It covers therapy, dental, eye...just about everything really. I get 2 physicals a year, completely free. I never pay anything at the doctor's, and like I said, $3 a month for prescriptions. I have had everything from an EKG to a throat sonogram done at different hospitals and medical facilities, all free. Gotten pairs of glass and eye exams, had teeth pulled, cleaned, and filled; go to a shrink weekly. All free. And I'm in and out real quick of these places. Great service. I cant complain at all.


when one is warm and cozy before their fire, one thinks all are warm and cozy.


lol. you jackass. Why even bother asking then? The government will pay for your healthcare if you cant afford it. Ive been through it first-hand. I was one of the uninsured, no health coverage at all. All you have to do is go down to your local social service office, and go through a 2 hour interview. Most people are too lazy or ignorant to do that. Almost all medical centers offer sliding fees now too.


you just keep telling yourself that, if it comforts you.



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05 Aug 2007, 1:34 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
Well we generally have the best system for a number of reasons. We have the best doctors in the world, we attract the best doctors, and always have. We have the most advanced equipment, and more of it per person. There are eight times more magnetic-resonance-imaging units (the latest improvement on X-rays), seven times more radiation-therapy units (used in the treatment of cancer), about six times more lithoptripsy units (used for nonsurgical removal of kidney stones), and about three times more open-heart surgery units and cardiac-catheterization units per capita in the United States than in Canada. We have much shorter wait times. And we have a decent safety net that covers a lot disadvantaged people.



do you have health insurance, Wiggerbeater? Are you adequately covered and your family? Do you have access to this state of the art equipment and able to pay for doctors and procedures and room and board when you need long term care?


Yes, I have a NY medicaid card. It pays for everything. All my prescriptions. I have probably $250 worth of prescriptions a month, that I only pay $3 for out of pocket combined. It covers therapy, dental, eye...just about everything really. I get 2 physicals a year, completely free. I never pay anything at the doctor's, and like I said, $3 a month for prescriptions. I have had everything from an EKG to a throat sonogram done at different hospitals and medical facilities, all free. Gotten pairs of glass and eye exams, had teeth pulled, cleaned, and filled; go to a shrink weekly. All free. And I'm in and out real quick of these places. Great service. I cant complain at all.


when one is warm and cozy before their fire, one thinks all are warm and cozy.


lol. you jackass. Why even bother asking then? The government will pay for your healthcare if you cant afford it. Ive been through it first-hand. I was one of the uninsured, no health coverage at all. All you have to do is go down to your local social service office, and go through a 2 hour interview. Most people are too lazy or ignorant to do that. Almost all medical centers offer sliding fees now too.


you just keep telling yourself that, if it comforts you.


Wow, I didnt realize you were such a totally inept debater, with no points to make. I guess I shouldnt expect anything more, typical liberal with no first-hand experience in the field they are arguing about it.


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05 Aug 2007, 1:56 pm

wiggerbeater wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
Well we generally have the best system for a number of reasons. We have the best doctors in the world, we attract the best doctors, and always have. We have the most advanced equipment, and more of it per person. There are eight times more magnetic-resonance-imaging units (the latest improvement on X-rays), seven times more radiation-therapy units (used in the treatment of cancer), about six times more lithoptripsy units (used for nonsurgical removal of kidney stones), and about three times more open-heart surgery units and cardiac-catheterization units per capita in the United States than in Canada. We have much shorter wait times. And we have a decent safety net that covers a lot disadvantaged people.



do you have health insurance, Wiggerbeater? Are you adequately covered and your family? Do you have access to this state of the art equipment and able to pay for doctors and procedures and room and board when you need long term care?


Yes, I have a NY medicaid card. It pays for everything. All my prescriptions. I have probably $250 worth of prescriptions a month, that I only pay $3 for out of pocket combined. It covers therapy, dental, eye...just about everything really. I get 2 physicals a year, completely free. I never pay anything at the doctor's, and like I said, $3 a month for prescriptions. I have had everything from an EKG to a throat sonogram done at different hospitals and medical facilities, all free. Gotten pairs of glass and eye exams, had teeth pulled, cleaned, and filled; go to a shrink weekly. All free. And I'm in and out real quick of these places. Great service. I cant complain at all.


when one is warm and cozy before their fire, one thinks all are warm and cozy.


lol. you jackass. Why even bother asking then? The government will pay for your healthcare if you cant afford it. Ive been through it first-hand. I was one of the uninsured, no health coverage at all. All you have to do is go down to your local social service office, and go through a 2 hour interview. Most people are too lazy or ignorant to do that. Almost all medical centers offer sliding fees now too.


you just keep telling yourself that, if it comforts you.


Wow, I didnt realize you were such a totally inept debater, with no points to make. I guess I shouldnt expect anything more, typical liberal with no first-hand experience in the field they are arguing about it.


according to you there is nothing to debate. People don't have health insurance because they are too stupid or lazy, according to you. Ergo, nothing to debate. You know it all.



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05 Aug 2007, 6:15 pm

Sure, the fat-ass effer we all call Michael Moore is so good, he's the next Christ! NOT! If America was truly as Stalinist as he says it is, he would be among the many to be lined up against the wall and be shot.
He recently said "HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE FREE FOR EVERYONE!" Someone has to pay for all that, Mike. What an Stupid Nazi Anarchist Asshead. Like a whining child who says he wants to leave his home, but stays there so he can rant about it and make a scene for the press.

In Short, THINK FOR ONCE, You stupid Communist Shippers!



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05 Aug 2007, 8:35 pm

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Sure, the fat-ass effer we all call Michael Moore is so good, he's the next Christ! NOT! If America was truly as Stalinist as he says it is, he would be among the many to be lined up against the wall and be shot.
He recently said "HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE FREE FOR EVERYONE!" Someone has to pay for all that, Mike. What an Stupid Nazi Anarchist Asshead. Like a whining child who says he wants to leave his home, but stays there so he can rant about it and make a scene for the press.

In Short, THINK FOR ONCE, You stupid Communist Shippers!


I certainly hope that Mr. Moore will tell us what to do now that we know the truth about America and The rest of the world. I always try to get my information from only one source because it solves all that need to think about it for myself. It's so tiresome to not just follow blindly. I also think we should band together and show our displeasure by getting petitions signed and then taking them to the government to get fair treatment for health care. Will there be cookies when we present the petitions to the secretaries? and kisses? I always want kisses when I am being screwed. . . :roll:



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05 Aug 2007, 11:09 pm

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So you actually can't quantify your remarks. You have nothing besides your opinion and the supposed opinions of others that are not here to attest to your claims.
that doesn't further your arguement to tell me to go and do your research for your, and only have 'the facts' when I go to such and such and do so and so. . .

you build straw men to defend your positions, not actual facts.
No. I've already done my research. Real discussions with real people, across the political spectrum, of what they have experienced in the nations of their birth and here. In countries with nationalized health care, most people wait intolerable amounts of time for necessary medical procedures due to governmental inefficiency. It would be beyond our imaginations if we have not experienced it.

The very rich, by the way, get evrything they want when they want it. Not only can they afford the best doctors and facilities, they are able to step right past everyone else, the people waiting for the government to approve their treatment. It becomes a much mor bifurcated and unfair system than anything here.

Do you think that Hilary Clinton would have to wait for government approval for health services if their were "universal health care."

I don't want you to do my research. I have invited you to do your own.



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05 Aug 2007, 11:27 pm

Litguy wrote:
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So you actually can't quantify your remarks. You have nothing besides your opinion and the supposed opinions of others that are not here to attest to your claims.
that doesn't further your arguement to tell me to go and do your research for your, and only have 'the facts' when I go to such and such and do so and so. . .

you build straw men to defend your positions, not actual facts.
No. I've already done my research. Real discussions with real people, across the political spectrum, of what they have experienced in the nations of their birth and here. In countries with nationalized health care, most people wait intolerable amounts of time for necessary medical procedures due to governmental inefficiency. It would be beyond our imaginations if we have not experienced it.

The very rich, by the way, get evrything they want when they want it. Not only can they afford the best doctors and facilities, they are able to step right past everyone else, the people waiting for the government to approve their treatment. It becomes a much mor bifurcated and unfair system than anything here.

Do you think that Hilary Clinton would have to wait for government approval for health services if their were "universal health care."

I don't want you to do my research. I have invited you to do your own.


at least I can site documentation and names, dates and situations, not just give vague answers of personal anecdotes and defy others to prove this vagueness incorrect.



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05 Aug 2007, 11:55 pm

If gluttons like Moore would exercise a little self-restraint, and personal responsiblity, our system wouldnt be so overburdened to begin with. Slobs like him are driving prices up.


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06 Aug 2007, 12:15 am

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If gluttons like Moore would exercise a little self-restraint, and personal responsiblity, our system wouldnt be so overburdened to begin with. Slobs like him are driving prices up.


This from the man on the government dole. . .that gets everything subsidized by the taxpayer. . .

have less EKGs and throat sonograms. .I don't want my taxes going up, wiggerbeater



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06 Aug 2007, 8:23 am

sinsboldly wrote:
Miino wrote:
Sure, the fat-ass effer we all call Michael Moore is so good, he's the next Christ! NOT! If America was truly as Stalinist as he says it is, he would be among the many to be lined up against the wall and be shot.
He recently said "HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE FREE FOR EVERYONE!" Someone has to pay for all that, Mike. What an Stupid Nazi Anarchist Asshead. Like a whining child who says he wants to leave his home, but stays there so he can rant about it and make a scene for the press.

In Short, THINK FOR ONCE, You stupid Communist Shippers!


I certainly hope that Mr. Moore will tell us what to do now that we know the truth about America and The rest of the world. I always try to get my information from only one source because it solves all that need to think about it for myself. It's so tiresome to not just follow blindly. I also think we should band together and show our displeasure by getting petitions signed and then taking them to the government to get fair treatment for health care. Will there be cookies when we present the petitions to the secretaries? and kisses? I always want kisses when I am being screwed. . . :roll:


Sinner, someone has to pay for the healthcare. I'll give it to you in your idiot terms. When some idiot, like you, becomes President (God forbid), and gives the whole damn world free healthcare, you lose a literal ton of money, and you can't fund the rightfully justified War we're fighting (But you wouldn't care about the military, would you?). Weeks later, when you're completely dead in the water, Osama Bin Laden, plus Hugo Chavez and his husband Sean Penn kill you, and start an American Concentration Camp. You won't beleive this, I know. So I quote Michael Caine. "Some people aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, or negotiated with. Some people just want to watch the world burn."



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06 Aug 2007, 9:05 am

Miino wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Miino wrote:
Sure, the fat-ass effer we all call Michael Moore is so good, he's the next Christ! NOT! If America was truly as Stalinist as he says it is, he would be among the many to be lined up against the wall and be shot.
He recently said "HEALTHCARE SHOULD BE FREE FOR EVERYONE!" Someone has to pay for all that, Mike. What an Stupid Nazi Anarchist Asshead. Like a whining child who says he wants to leave his home, but stays there so he can rant about it and make a scene for the press.

In Short, THINK FOR ONCE, You stupid Communist Shippers!


I certainly hope that Mr. Moore will tell us what to do now that we know the truth about America and The rest of the world. I always try to get my information from only one source because it solves all that need to think about it for myself. It's so tiresome to not just follow blindly. I also think we should band together and show our displeasure by getting petitions signed and then taking them to the government to get fair treatment for health care. Will there be cookies when we present the petitions to the secretaries? and kisses? I always want kisses when I am being screwed. . . :roll:


Sinner, someone has to pay for the healthcare. I'll give it to you in your idiot terms. When some idiot, like you, becomes President (God forbid), and gives the whole damn world free healthcare, you lose a literal ton of money, and you can't fund the rightfully justified War we're fighting (But you wouldn't care about the military, would you?). Weeks later, when you're completely dead in the water, Osama Bin Laden, plus Hugo Chavez and his husband Sean Penn kill you, and start an American Concentration Camp. You won't beleive this, I know. So I quote Michael Caine. "Some people aren't looking for anything logical. They can't be bought, bullied, or negotiated with. Some people just want to watch the world burn."


oh, sorry, Miino. . . I thought my comment was proof enough it was satire, so I suppose I will have to type [satire] [/satire] around the most obvious bits of it.
and so I have to spell it out for you, in idiot terms, no less. . . The concentration camps are already funded by the Bush Administration.

now, pardon me, I have to go to work to support myself because as wiggerbeater needs my tax dollars to support his way of life.

and it is SinsBoldy,not Sinner, but it was touching to see you want to give me a nickname. . . :wink:


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06 Aug 2007, 10:15 am

Erm, guys? you realise that healthcare is free in the UK, right? (Admittedly it is the NHS, and you still have to pay for perscriptions.)



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06 Aug 2007, 10:18 am

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Erm, guys? you realise that healthcare is free in the UK, right? (Admittedly it is the NHS, and you still have to pay for perscriptions.)

Obviously a misnomer. Nothing is "free"; in this case it's supported through taxpayer 'contributions'. :?



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06 Aug 2007, 3:45 pm

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at least I can site documentation and names, dates and situations, not just give vague answers of personal anecdotes and defy others to prove this vagueness incorrect.
Documetation of what? What we are arguing is subjective. We are arguing whether it is better to have the situation that exists in the US or the one in Canada. One could cite positives and negatives in both systems. It comes down to the subjective value decisions that people who have experienced them both make. I have spoken to such people who have no connection with either the medical world or the government. They just know what they faced in other countries and what family members continue to face, and they know what happens here.

It is not an issue of data or documentation. It is an issue of human experience.