Jennifer Aniston admits 'Friends' might offend today's kids

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05 Apr 2023, 4:36 am

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Just take it as a product of its time, I doubt there was any ill intent behind the disagreeable stuff.


I agree, it was playful fun.



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05 Apr 2023, 4:38 am

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Why would she be very popular, or are you joking?


erm, do I need to spell it out?



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05 Apr 2023, 8:10 am

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I saw this on Facebook. I love Friends :heart: Too bad it only on HBO Max, I don’t have cable.


It's on Netflix in the UK. Not in the US?


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05 Apr 2023, 8:13 am

Apart from the lack of diversity, the only things I've seen in Friends that could jar with modern sensibilities are the occasional bit of casual homophobia, and the repeated playing of Monica's past weight issues for laughs.

But then, Frasier had a whole season where Jane Leeves' real life pregnancy was covered up with a long running storyline about her overeating and weight gain so Friends was hardly alone in this.


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05 Apr 2023, 11:49 am

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colliegrace wrote:
Just take it as a product of its time, I doubt there was any ill intent behind the disagreeable stuff.


I agree, it was playful fun.

This is why as anti racist as you are, you are not woke. Woke people will want to cancel anything that has any bigotry in it no matter what the intent, now matter how progressive the rest of the show is, and especially if it was a product of its time.

If they did not make it miserable for others I would feel sorry for them. It must be a miserable existence “doing the work” to find racism and privilege 24/7. If you want to find racism everywhere you will find it. I can not deny that people with that mind set will find bad things when most others won’t. But all to often they find bigotry that does not exist or they make “a mountain out of a molehill


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05 Apr 2023, 4:40 pm

Fair enough. My wife loves Friends and she rolls her eyes whenever I bring up this stuff about diversity.



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06 Apr 2023, 10:21 am

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Why would she be very popular, or are you joking?


erm, do I need to spell it out?



Yes please.

Is it because she's pretty?

I hope you aren't saying she's stupid, or she could be exploited because she's blonde.
She's the smartest of all six characters - book smarts and street smarts.
She's a trauma survivor and she'd kick arse if anyone tried to manipulate her.


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06 Apr 2023, 11:16 am

So what if she offends them. It is her life not theirs. If I offend someone just because I am me and being me tough! it is the offended person who has a lack of tollerance who is at fault! If such a person is offenced they should just walk away like I would if I was offended by someone else. That way we can all have peace!

If this Jennifer has offended any viewers in the "Friends" programme on TV so what? The viewers DON'T HAVE TO WATCH IT. THERE ARE OTHERTHINGS TO WATCH! THERE ISAN OFF SWITCH! ARE THEY THAT THICK TO SIT THERE BEING OFFENDED?
This is the problem with today is that people seem to think that they have a right to demand an apology if they arre offended, BUT whatif I in turn (Or anyone else) is offended that they have taken offence? Why don't they apologize for taking offence? Why don't they learn to forgive?
Generally to take offence and not just walk away one HAS to be mentally ret*d and need a full time carer to protect you from mental harm. Most of us who have a bit of intelligen e behind us have the ability to forgive and walk away or turn the TV channel to another. or simply turn it off.
No way should the actors apologize! What for? They are acting!

Look. Does Biden apologize for the horrible things he has said while on air that your TV channels have to edit out? If he doesn't have to then why should anyone else? All one has to do is ignore the ones that one does not want to hear!

Todays generation being offended by this or that? So what? Get a life! You are not a baby who cries if you hear a bad word! And if you are, you won't be reading this!

People need to grow up and stop being offended by every other thing!



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06 Apr 2023, 12:55 pm



https://youtu.be/ekTh9qRL9zg :heart:


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06 Apr 2023, 8:54 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Why would she be very popular, or are you joking?


erm, do I need to spell it out?



Yes please.

Is it because she's pretty?

I hope you aren't saying she's stupid, or she could be exploited because she's blonde.
She's the smartest of all six characters - book smarts and street smarts.
She's a trauma survivor and she'd kick arse if anyone tried to manipulate her.


As a young single man back in the 1990s to me Pheobe was hot (I think most males would agree with me). My emerging brain did not factor that Pheobe's character might have had trauma (and until you mentioned this now I didn't even know?)

Her character (to me as a 20 something) was pretty, quirky, cheerful and generous. She would make a fantastic masseuse (I wasn't being sexual) in that her character would have easily made me feel relaxed and rejuvenated.



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07 Apr 2023, 7:57 am

I am on the cusp of Gen Z & millennial and I never personally watched Friends bc its humor was immature for me. Not any more offensive than other things I was watching but… just not funny lmao.



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07 Apr 2023, 8:50 am

cyberdad wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Why would she be very popular, or are you joking?


erm, do I need to spell it out?



Yes please.

Is it because she's pretty?

I hope you aren't saying she's stupid, or she could be exploited because she's blonde.
She's the smartest of all six characters - book smarts and street smarts.
She's a trauma survivor and she'd kick arse if anyone tried to manipulate her.


As a young single man back in the 1990s to me Pheobe was hot (I think most males would agree with me). My emerging brain did not factor that Pheobe's character might have had trauma (and until you mentioned this now I didn't even know?)

Her character (to me as a 20 something) was pretty, quirky, cheerful and generous. She would make a fantastic masseuse (I wasn't being sexual) in that her character would have easily made me feel relaxed and rejuvenated.



Oh OK.
I thought you meant that she might do some "extras" and that's why she'd be popular.

Yes Phoebe has CPTSD.
I forget the whole story but her mother committed suicide when they were young
Father abandoned her
Stepdad sold his blood to buy her food
Stepdad went to prison
She lived on the street from age 14 in a car
She didn't finish high school
She got hepatitis from a pimp spitting in her mouth
Then didn't she find out she had a different mother?
Also her birth age was wrong all her life - lost ID
Gave birth to her brother's triplets and had to give them up


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07 Apr 2023, 8:37 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Yes Phoebe has CPTSD.
I forget the whole story but her mother committed suicide when they were young
Father abandoned her
Stepdad sold his blood to buy her food
Stepdad went to prison
She lived on the street from age 14 in a car
She didn't finish high school
She got hepatitis from a pimp spitting in her mouth
Then didn't she find out she had a different mother?
Also her birth age was wrong all her life - lost ID
Gave birth to her brother's triplets and had to give them up


Even if you watched every episode and catalogued her experiences it wouldn't have changed my own perception that Pheobe would have provided a great service in terms of being fun and quirky but most of all she thinks about other people. She would have (I imagine) quickly put me at ease and in a relaxed state of mind (In contrast the other characters Monica and Rachel were too self-absorbed to be fun to hang around with)



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16 Apr 2023, 9:26 am

Friends does offend me but not for woke reasons.



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12 Sep 2024, 7:07 am

'Friends' Icon Addresses Show's Lack of Diversity—'It Seems Insane'

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The actor who played Chandler Bing's iconic "rebound roommate" Eddie in T has addressed the show's lack of diversity.

Adam Goldberg played Eddie, who momentarily replaced Joey in his and Chandler's apartment after the two men had a falling out. While Goldberg's character appeared in only three episodes of the sitcom, he has gone down as one of the show's most memorable roles.

In an interview with the Independent published on Sunday, Goldberg discussed his time on the show and commented on its lack of diversity.

"In terms of diversity, looking back, it seems insane. I've heard Black people speak about this and it's like, you never expected to see yourself, so when you didn't, it was not a surprise, and you ended up identifying to characters, irrespective of their race," he told the publication.

Goldberg continued: "It was just the norm that there was such a lack of diversity. I mean, I spent a lot of my career complaining about how Italians can play Jews. You see De Niro play Jews but you very rarely see someone who's a known Jewish actor playing Italian.

"So that's where my head was at. Or I would get feedback about not being all-American enough, which, you know, if you were to say that to somebody now you'd probably be fired. Or maybe not, because all-American has become such a derisive term."

Newsweek contacted spokespeople for Goldberg and show creators, Marta Kauffman and David Crane, for comment via email outside normal working hour.

Goldberg said that while Friends was on air, television was "just an amplification" of what was happening in the culture at the time.

This isn't the first time a Friends actor has addressed the topic of diversity, as two of the main cast members previously shared their thoughts on the issue.

In a 2020 interview with The Guardian, Schwimmer said he'd made a "conscious push" to have his character date more women of color.

"I was well aware of the lack of diversity and I campaigned for years to have Ross date women of color," he said.

"One of the first girlfriends I had on the show was an Asian American woman, and later I dated African American women. That was a very conscious push on my part."

Kudrow has also addressed the show's lack of diversity, saying the story was based on the writers' personal experiences.

"I feel like it was a show created by two people who went to Brandeis and wrote about their lives after college. And for shows especially, when it's going to be a comedy that's character-driven, you write what you know," she told the Daily Beast in 2022.

"They have no business writing stories about the experiences of being a person of color," she continued.

Kudrow added that any future Friends projects "would need to be more current—and more diverse representation is not a bad idea, you know?"

During a panel at the ATX TV Festival in 2020, Kauffman said she "didn't do enough" to promote racial diversity in the show.

In 2022, she told the Los Angeles Times that she had changed her view about the criticism over the lack of diversity—which she originally found "difficult and frustrating"—in the years after George Floyd's death at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer in 2020.


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12 Sep 2024, 7:08 am

'Friends' Icon Addresses Show's Lack of Diversity—'It Seems Insane'

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The actor who played Chandler Bing's iconic "rebound roommate" Eddie in Friends has addressed the show's lack of diversity.

Adam Goldberg played Eddie, who momentarily replaced Joey in his and Chandler's apartment after the two men had a falling out. While Goldberg's character appeared in only three episodes of the sitcom, he has gone down as one of the show's most memorable roles.

In an interview with the Independent published on Sunday, Goldberg discussed his time on the show and commented on its lack of diversity.

"In terms of diversity, looking back, it seems insane. I've heard Black people speak about this and it's like, you never expected to see yourself, so when you didn't, it was not a surprise, and you ended up identifying to characters, irrespective of their race," he told the publication.

Goldberg continued: "It was just the norm that there was such a lack of diversity. I mean, I spent a lot of my career complaining about how Italians can play Jews. You see De Niro play Jews but you very rarely see someone who's a known Jewish actor playing Italian.

"So that's where my head was at. Or I would get feedback about not being all-American enough, which, you know, if you were to say that to somebody now you'd probably be fired. Or maybe not, because all-American has become such a derisive term."

Newsweek contacted spokespeople for Goldberg and show creators, Marta Kauffman and David Crane, for comment via email outside normal working hour.

Goldberg said that while Friends was on air, television was "just an amplification" of what was happening in the culture at the time.

This isn't the first time a Friends actor has addressed the topic of diversity, as two of the main cast members previously shared their thoughts on the issue.

In a 2020 interview with The Guardian, Schwimmer said he'd made a "conscious push" to have his character date more women of color.

"I was well aware of the lack of diversity and I campaigned for years to have Ross date women of color," he said.

"One of the first girlfriends I had on the show was an Asian American woman, and later I dated African American women. That was a very conscious push on my part."

Kudrow has also addressed the show's lack of diversity, saying the story was based on the writers' personal experiences.

"I feel like it was a show created by two people who went to Brandeis and wrote about their lives after college. And for shows especially, when it's going to be a comedy that's character-driven, you write what you know," she told the Daily Beast in 2022.

"They have no business writing stories about the experiences of being a person of color," she continued.

Kudrow added that any future Friends projects "would need to be more current—and more diverse representation is not a bad idea, you know?"

During a panel at the ATX TV Festival in 2020, Kauffman said she "didn't do enough" to promote racial diversity in the show.

In 2022, she told the Los Angeles Times that she had changed her view about the criticism over the lack of diversity—which she originally found "difficult and frustrating"—in the years after George Floyd's death at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer in 2020.


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