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Did JJ Abrams ruin Star Trek?
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11 May 2009, 8:40 pm

Would somebody please explain to me what was good about this movie? I'm in a state of absolute shock here that it is a critical and popular success. It was flat, immature, gimmicky, and geeky. The characters were under characterized, the plot was nonsensical, the science was so bad we're approaching the Dr. Who end of the spectrum. It was intellectually, dramatically completely inane. What gets my goat is i like the cast and I <3 the effects and art, but the movie was executed so ineptly it makes Transformers look like high science fiction.

It's like the only one with half a head for science fiction out there at this point is Ebert.


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11 May 2009, 9:15 pm

I think I'm starting to understand the movie. It's a parallel universe between Roddenbery's trekverse and Abram's trekverse. Both are running concurrently and will unfold in their own way, but they won't have an impact on each other's timeline. I think this is brilliant.


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11 May 2009, 9:23 pm

twoshots wrote:
It was intellectually, dramatically completely inane. What gets my goat is i like the cast and I <3 the effects and art, but the movie was executed so ineptly it makes Transformers look like high science fiction.


Nothing could ever make Transformers look good (before Trek they showed trailers for Terminator IV and Transformers II). Not a good move. It showed how crap and unrealistic transformers was.

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Would somebody please explain to me what was good about this movie? I'm in a state of absolute shock here that it is a critical and popular success. It was flat, immature, gimmicky, and geeky. The characters were under characterized, the plot was nonsensical, the science was so bad we're approaching the Dr. Who end of the spectrum.


As far as Trek is concerned... I've never been much of a fan and my favourite is still IV, with II coming a bit behind that.
I prefer Doctor Who - which is probably why I preferred the plot.

Trek did do one cute science fiction thing. It had one of the early explosions in space silent, just to show how crap it would be if we didn't ignore all the laws of physics. They didn't repeat the effect though. (and it felt a bit like the mines in Star Wars II).



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11 May 2009, 9:38 pm

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Trek did do one cute science fiction thing. It had one of the early explosions in space silent, just to show how crap it would be if we didn't ignore all the laws of physics.

The scene in the new one where they space-jumped down, with the silence except the breathing, I thought was the most stimulating scene in the new movie, from a stylistic perspective.

As far as Dr. Who goes in comparison, I'm willing to turn a blind eye to its manifold absurdities because the writing is very clever and very funny.


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12 May 2009, 12:07 pm

kxmode wrote:
I think I'm starting to understand the movie. It's a parallel universe between Roddenbery's trekverse and Abram's trekverse. Both are running concurrently and will unfold in their own way, but they won't have an impact on each other's timeline. I think this is brilliant.


That's a good way to look at it I guess. I saw the movie over the weekend and did enjoy it. The new McCoy was very much like the original, as was the new Spock. The new Spock though seems to be more at war with his human half than the original.

The only thing I'm hoping is they don't try to modernize it too much. The original had an optomistic view of the future, I just hope the new Star Trek tries to keep to that aspect of the original. That optomistic view inspired alot of people, we need that again.


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12 May 2009, 8:08 pm

Maybe Abrams' reality is the basis for the "Alternate Reality" Trek fans already know of? Maybe future movies in the series will see Quinto's Spock grow a goatee.



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12 May 2009, 9:58 pm

Voyager to me sounds like the Star Trek version of Lost in Space, so I lost interest after a season. I haven't seen this movie yet, but The Voyage Home is my favorite movie.


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12 May 2009, 10:07 pm

Deep Space Nine is the best series. I think First Contact is probably my favorite Star Trek movie.



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12 May 2009, 10:11 pm

The old alternate reality thing made perfect sense to me. It happens in Doctor Who all the time.

In fact, in Doctor Who, future stories which delve into the past affect the past doctor who stories which delved into the future. For example; in the sixties, all of the dalek stories in the future were centered around the dalek emperor. Then during the seventies in Genesis of the Daleks, Davros learned about the "future-history" of the daleks and found himself to not be a part of it. Presumably that was when he developed some "protection" for himself against his creations which enabled his revival in "destiny". Since then, he's figured in much of the future history of the daleks - some of which occurs chronologically earlier than in the doctor's earlier selves' adventures. (given that Patrick Troughton had a story right near the end of the dalek empire). Occasionally though the Tardis jumps into the other parallel universe where Davros didn't survive.

But this is a Star Trek thread....

It's a given that they could quite easily find a future where Kirk still exists and didn't die in Generations. There was also a good episode in Generations where the girl who died (forgot her name) came back and then went into the past.



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13 May 2009, 4:13 pm

gbollard wrote:
It's a given that they could quite easily find a future where Kirk still exists and didn't die in Generations. There was also a good episode in Generations where the girl who died (forgot her name) came back and then went into the past.


Tasha Yar? The blonde in the engineering/security uniform?



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13 May 2009, 4:57 pm

Demonique wrote:
gbollard wrote:
It's a given that they could quite easily find a future where Kirk still exists and didn't die in Generations. There was also a good episode in Generations where the girl who died (forgot her name) came back and then went into the past.


Tasha Yar? The blonde in the engineering/security uniform?


Yep, that's it ... thanks... sometimes I get memory block on people's names. Anyhow, that episode (or pair of episodes?) was one of the best of Star Trek Next Generation (IMHO).

ST4 was the best of the movies, though the new ST may overtake it... I'll have to re-watch a few times before I decide.

I guess that says that I prefer Trek when there's a bit of Time Travel in it.



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15 May 2009, 4:44 pm

At first I went to the new ST movie thinking it would be just crap. I have watched all of the Star Treks, grew up with it. My mom was the one that got me started and now I am the one that started it with my kids, who are 19 and 23. There are some Trek series I like better than others and def. some Trek movies as well. But after the newest Trek show on the T>V, Enterprise, I was just sick. I like Scott Bakula, but the show really sucked and I stopped watching it.

So I am happy to say I was pleased with the movie, of course there is some cheese, that's part of it. I think it will be more developed in the next movie (you know there'll be one).

Even though I've seen this new movie with my son(we went on the first day), my daughter and mom have not seen it, so we are planning to go altogether.
Pretty neat, I think.



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15 May 2009, 11:06 pm

soulmate wrote:
At first I went to the new ST movie thinking it would be just crap. I have watched all of the Star Treks, grew up with it. My mom was the one that got me started and now I am the one that started it with my kids, who are 19 and 23. There are some Trek series I like better than others and def. some Trek movies as well. But after the newest Trek show on the T>V, Enterprise, I was just sick. I like Scott Bakula, but the show really sucked and I stopped watching it.

So I am happy to say I was pleased with the movie, of course there is some cheese, that's part of it. I think it will be more developed in the next movie (you know there'll be one).

Even though I've seen this new movie with my son(we went on the first day), my daughter and mom have not seen it, so we are planning to go altogether.
Pretty neat, I think.

Enterprise got really good in its third and fourth seasons. Almost DS9 level good. Unfortunately, it had lost most of its viewers by then and couldn't overcome the ratings decline.



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16 May 2009, 2:40 pm

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and the actor who played McCoy was spot on


Of course he was. He's Simon Pegg for crying out loud.



Simon Pegg played Scotty. Carl Urban played McCoy. All were really good.


I knew that and I probably wasn't looking. :lol:

But, yeah, The guy who played McCoy was really good, too.

I thought the movie was great. Again, I really liked Pegg as Scott


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16 May 2009, 8:55 pm

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I haven't been able to make it past Next Gen. I'm sorry but thus far the other series seem crap.


Watch DS9 in order then come back here and say that.


I'll give it a go.

After I finished NextGen, I looked in my local video store for DSN. It didn't have it but it had the first episode of Voyager. I turned it off in disgust after about 1 episode. Maybe I need to be "eased in" with DS9 first.


DS9 had a rough first couple of seasons, just like TNG, but around the 4th season if i remember correctly, is when it started picking up steam.


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16 May 2009, 8:59 pm

I loved the film. I was worried it was going to be a generic action film with the words star trek in it. In my opinion the re-write/ alteration of the time line was a clever way to introduce the characters to new audiences while not stepping on the toes of the people who are familiar with the original time line. I went with my dad who grew up watching the TOS and he liked what they did with it as well. I liked the casting choices and in particular Spock.


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