Does anyone else have problem with Titanic?

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Which of the two things I named you have problem with?
I don't have problem with either 44%  44%  [ 24 ]
I have problem with both 33%  33%  [ 18 ]
I have problem with her letting him die, but NOT with her throwing away that thing at the end of the movie 16%  16%  [ 9 ]
I have a problem with her throwing it away at the end of the movie but NOT with her letting him die 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
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30 Jun 2010, 12:01 pm

I think that if Rose hadn't let them arrest Jack for allegedly taking the necklace, they wouldn't have wasted all that time trying to get him out of there, so they could have both lived. It's her fault for not standing up for him.

I didn't care about the necklace at all, I thought it was hideous, I wouldn't wear that if you paid me.


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30 Jun 2010, 12:05 pm

Only that people have been trying to pressure me into seeing the damn thing since 1997 and I'm really not interested.



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30 Jun 2010, 12:18 pm

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:
I think that if Rose hadn't let them arrest Jack for allegedly taking the necklace, they wouldn't have wasted all that time trying to get him out of there, so they could have both lived. It's her fault for not standing up for him.

I didn't care about the necklace at all, I thought it was hideous, I wouldn't wear that if you paid me.


Rose thought he did take the necklace and then she realized she knew he didn't take it. I guess she thought about it and realized she should trust him than believing her fiancee.



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30 Jun 2010, 12:29 pm

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They did those two things in the plot in order to wrench the emotion into the audience. Personally, I would have done exactly as his character did, as I could not let my wife drown in the cold water. That would hurt me so much that I would wish I had died. And as far as the pendant, I think it was to symbolize that they were faithful to each other lifelong, and not to have done that would have cheapened her memory of them together.

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I don't intend to insult or demean, but what if your wife feels exactly the same way? Wouldn't it be selfish, not chivalrous, of you to so quickly choose death, as opposed to trying to survive?

As for the pendant, again, a selfish and irrational act. She could've helped a lot of struggling artists (just an example) with the money she would've gotten from selling it. Which would've been much more apt and meaningfull to the memory of Jack.


No offense taken :) ... Your thoughts are logical, but the emotions aren't supposed to work that way, I guess. As far as whether selfish to let her live and he dies, I guess it is in a way. But it's one of those things that I guess is a lose/lose situation. Same with the pendant. True it could have been sold and a donation made someplace in Jack's honor.

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30 Jun 2010, 1:25 pm

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When I was a kid the Titanic was one of my special interests. I was OBSESSED. I read so many books on it, adult ones too, to the point that my school's reading program didn't believe me and made me read passages from the books to prove it!


LolSame here.


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30 Jun 2010, 2:47 pm

my problem is that the Titanic was able to stay afloat with Kate Winslet on it---just kidding guys-a person I know is a big Kate Winslet fan(but not as big as Kate-hehehehehehe)--just teasing. :D :D 8)



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30 Jun 2010, 3:09 pm

Not that into love movies usually. When someone mentions that movie, i just always think about how when my mom dragged me with her to see it in the theater as a kid i realllllly had to pee for about the last hour of the movie. I kept thinking it was almost over, but it kept dragging on.

I liked Avatar, though.



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30 Jun 2010, 11:15 pm

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my problem is that the Titanic was able to stay afloat with Kate Winslet on it---just kidding guys-a person I know is a big Kate Winslet fan(but not as big as Kate-hehehehehehe)--just teasing. :D :D 8)


Whaaaa? Kate Winslet isn't fat. She just looked big next to DiCaprio cuz he's a stick.



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01 Jul 2010, 2:00 am

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So who's fault is it that the ship sank? Is it Jack and Rose for distracting the lookout men? Or the lookout men for being distracted?


The blame rests squarely with Capt. Edward Smith who ignored several iceberg warnings and was going at top speed at night. The blame rests secondarily with the designers Harlan and Wolfe who used second rate steel for the hull plates and compartments that were open at the top. The Titanic, contrary to belief, was NOT unsinkable. Any vessel made of steel can sink.

Jack and Rose are fictitious. If the look outs had seen the iceberg five seconds later the ship would have collided head on with the berg and stayed afloat.

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this is in fact exactly why I always wonder what's so special about the history of this ship.

"because it was supposed to be the unsinkable Titanic!"

My response: guess what? It sunk...move on.....



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01 Jul 2010, 9:17 am

Kiseki wrote:
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my problem is that the Titanic was able to stay afloat with Kate Winslet on it---just kidding guys-a person I know is a big Kate Winslet fan(but not as big as Kate-hehehehehehe)--just teasing. :D :D 8)


Whaaaa? Kate Winslet isn't fat. She just looked big next to DiCaprio cuz he's a stick.
I am just kidding-a radio personality that I listen to on Sirius radio-has a crush on Kate Winslet and people that call in tease her about Kate Winslet being heavy-she is very beautiful and everyone calls in to tease her. :D :D



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01 Jul 2010, 3:15 pm

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I have two big problems with the movie:

1. The fact that the guy died on the first place, which was really HER fault:

a) The girl didn't trade places with the guy, and she let him die. Why would she do that if she trully loves him? May be if they were to take turns of who is in the water then he would never died.

b) Additionally, when she THOUGHT he died, she just let him drown, instead of being desperate hoping that may be, just may be, he is not dead yet. She could have waited for rescue team to come and for doctors to do their best to bring him to life.

2. The fact that at the very end of the movie she threw that thing into the sea. She could have shown it to everyone and be famous. But no, she threw it out. Especially since she was keeping it safely her WHOLE LIFE its like she decided to ruin her life long efforts, just out of the blue.

Interesting topic!

~James Cameron was making a statement about what happened on Titanic...women and children were allowed on the lifeboats first, thus, more women survived the sinking of the ship than men. Jack dying and Rose surviving capsules this reality.

~I thought Rose seemed sorta selfish too, in that respect. She just stayed on that floating debris while poor Jack languished in the frigid temps of the north Atlantic. Maybe she knew Jack wanted it that way? He wanted her to go on and have a long life (which she does, you can tell by the photos of her at the end).
It also further illustrates the statement Cameron was making. Men selflessly sacrificed their lives so that women could keep theirs. The point was driven home more than once.

~ He sank because he was frozen solid and very heavy. Maybe she did feel a pang of guilt, because, at the end, she sent that beautiful, rare diamond down to be with him, as if she is comforting his spirit.
If she didn't know he was gone, she knew once she freed his grip from the debris and he swiftly sank.
It was a statement about the nameless, faceless on Titanic and how they didn't exist. There was no record of Jack, not even a dead body, that proved he even existed. Who knows how many others suffered the same fate, and not just on Titanic.

~ She threw the diamond into the sea to be with him. The movie implies that she died that night. The diamond symbolized her heart and love. She was returning to Jack and the others you see in the closing shot. She was going home to Titanic.



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01 Jul 2010, 3:29 pm

Yeeeaah, I always thought it was kind of dumb they didn't take turns, but I thought maybe her brain was kind of frozen and she didn't think of it or didn't realize how much time had passed. I mean she was really zoned out there for a little while.

It didn't bother me when she threw the thing in though. I wouldn't call it a "life-long effort" to keep a little treasure for your whole life. It would have been cool if she gave it to her kid (grandkid?) so she could have the money, but I kind of understand that it was a private romantic secret. Part of that whole "A woman's heart is a deep ocean of secrets" thing. The last secret she had, after she told her whole story to those guys. (And maybe she thought it belonged down there with Jack and with her past.) It's not like they were poor, either, so her kid didn't really need it. And I'm sure she became famous after that anyway for telling her story and having her drawing found. (But I don't think she would have cared at all.)


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01 Jul 2010, 4:21 pm

Radiofixr wrote:
my problem is that the Titanic was able to stay afloat with Kate Winslet on it---just kidding guys-a person I know is a big Kate Winslet fan(but not as big as Kate-hehehehehehe)--just teasing. :D :D 8)



Kate Winslets curves made her character more believable to me. If she had been a stick figure like most of the Hollywood actresses are - I wouldn't have believed it.

I mean, did you see what kind of food the first class people were eating. OMG. That stuff looked rich and delicious! Did you see any of the women hitting the ship's fitness center? I saw them mostly strolling around the deck at most. Edwardian ladies were curvier and a little heavier than the "ideal" of the late 20th and early 21st century.

As for the actress Kate at the time of this filming - if I asked most of the hetero guys I knew (and any lesbian girls that I knew) they would all of happily said that she could park her shoes under their beds any ole time and they wouldn't have made a single comment about her size :lol:



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01 Jul 2010, 8:33 pm

CanadianRose wrote:
Radiofixr wrote:
my problem is that the Titanic was able to stay afloat with Kate Winslet on it---just kidding guys-a person I know is a big Kate Winslet fan(but not as big as Kate-hehehehehehe)--just teasing. :D :D 8)



Kate Winslets curves made her character more believable to me. If she had been a stick figure like most of the Hollywood actresses are - I wouldn't have believed it.

I mean, did you see what kind of food the first class people were eating. OMG. That stuff looked rich and delicious! Did you see any of the women hitting the ship's fitness center? I saw them mostly strolling around the deck at most. Edwardian ladies were curvier and a little heavier than the "ideal" of the late 20th and early 21st century.

As for the actress Kate at the time of this filming - if I asked most of the hetero guys I knew (and any lesbian girls that I knew) they would all of happily said that she could park her shoes under their beds any ole time and they wouldn't have made a single comment about her size :lol:


Yes, that is true. Women of that time were curvier. They certainly didn't look athletic and have muscular arms.

And I always wondered why I was more drawn to Kate than Leo when watching that movie :lol: (I AM gay).



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01 Jul 2010, 11:09 pm

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That movie was way too long, and way too popular - I remember when it came out that horrible Celine Dion song was playing everywhere and everyone was talking about how romantic the story was. I found it really boring and kept wishing they'd hurry up and die already. As for him dying, that's supposed to be part of the "romantic" plot or something.


I remember that. :roll: Everyone I knew was trying to get me to teach them how to play it on the piano.


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01 Jul 2010, 11:17 pm

I love "My Heart Will Go On", what could anyone possibly have against it?


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