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24 Sep 2011, 11:24 pm

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Anyway, a lot of people say this is common - that people claim to be Aspies to get away with rude behavior, but I haven't seen it. Ever. Not once. I have been on the internet since before Asperger's Syndrome was in the DSM. Where does this happen? Who does it? Do you have any actual examples?


You see it a lot on deviantArt and YouTube. It's mainly kids between 13-20 that decide to self diagnose because they think it's cool. Most of them don't even have AS, but are just trolls.



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25 Sep 2011, 4:43 am

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Believe you me, a lot of people claim to have "self-diagnosed Aspergers," and they DO use it as a flimsy excuse for bad manners. Sugratits, or whatever her name is, was supposed to be a character that you hated - for taking advantage of the very real suffering of people with aspergers.


I doubt that's how she was taken. I do not understand why apologists for crap like Glee insist that their pretzel logic interpretations of the intended humor is actually what most people get from it.

Anyway, a lot of people say this is common - that people claim to be Aspies to get away with rude behavior, but I haven't seen it. Ever. Not once. I have been on the internet since before Asperger's Syndrome was in the DSM. Where does this happen? Who does it? Do you have any actual examples?


Yes, that's possible. But at the same time I think actually there are people who actually are just people who use what has happened to them as a pretext to be morons. I have actually seen people with aspergers use their aspergers as a reason to start condescending to others about what is right and wrong, twisting the message by applying these principles absolutely anywhere. I have also actually seen and talked to people with aspergers who do actually use their condition to think they can actually get away with anything. This has happened once.

I am thankful that nearly all people with aspergers or autism have more of a spine.



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25 Sep 2011, 9:58 pm

I saw it because I am a huge Glee fan, and was frankly, outraged.
I'm worried.



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27 Sep 2011, 8:11 pm

... I wish I could say that I was surprised by this, but honestly I'm not. It's hard enough to deal with life, and deal with the challenges that Autism/Asperger bring. Now with everyone abusing Autism as an justification for their bad behaviour, makes everything worse. Could television producers actually do some research on what real people with real Autism have to deal with?


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27 Sep 2011, 9:22 pm

I agree that the characters portrayal in this episode could increase stigma and be offensive and the self-diagnosed bit could be easily missed. However we haven't yet seen the rest of the season, we don't really know as yet where the writers of Glee are going with this only that they wanted to create waves and draw attention in the first episode. This doesn't mean this is their sum-total plan for this character and that they won't develop more depth. For now I'm still keeping an open mind about the thing, we may see more depth in Sugar, and have more characters in the show sympathize her as the season plays out. If the McKinley high students are intended to be roughly normal students they may not know much about AS on first meeting someone with it. It pretty much seems to be human nature to reject or misunderstand what's unfamiliar and different and that is all the characters have don't thus far, but there's a whole bunch of episodes left in the season to turn it around.


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27 Sep 2011, 11:19 pm

It seems Sugar is going to be a reoccurring character...Glee and Parenthood both air on Tuesday nights. Both have a character with Aspergers (either self diagnosed or not.) I hereby declare every Tuesday, Aspergers Tuesday. :U



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28 Sep 2011, 1:30 am

I admit that I was a fan of the show and I considered it a guilty pleasure to watch, despite some questionable song selections and plotlines.

However, my enjoyment of the show was permanently ruined by this character. For me having Asperger's is nothing to laugh at. I was lucky enough to excel academically, but my social life was terrible growing up. I was not diagnosed until 2008 (at the age of 25), so I grew up not knowing why I had so much trouble communicating people, when it seemed to be so easy for everybody around me. I don't want to have to sit around and watch what I consider a very serious condition to be mocked for a few cheap laughs.

Despite stopping the premiere for a few minutes to process that scene, I still managed to make it through the episode. However, I was not able to enjoy the show the same, knowing that there is this stereotypical character lurking in the wings (and I confirmed afterwards that she is a recurring character this season).

I don't think I will be able to continue watching the show.



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28 Sep 2011, 12:13 pm

I read a description of Sugar's appearance in this week's episode that confirmed my planned boycott of the show.

Even if she leaves after her next appearance (she's only filmed three episodes so far), I really can't forgive a show that pretends to be tolerant towards people with differences, only to make the one that I have a big fat joke.



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28 Sep 2011, 12:59 pm

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In last week's season opener, Vanessa Lengies joined the show as Sugar Motta, a tone-deaf student in more ways than one. Her attribution for her lack of social graces to "self-diagnosed Asperger's" had autism-awareness advocates up in arms. Well, Sugar was back in episode 2 — briefly, thank God — to sing poorly, insult Idina Menzel's Shelby Corcoran ("you have this irritating nasal quality"), then shrug it off: "Sorry, Asperger's."


So does this mean the whole faking AS thing is going to be a running gag?

Someone please send me a gun so I can kill myself now and be spared the oncoming stigma.



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28 Sep 2011, 2:31 pm

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In last week's season opener, Vanessa Lengies joined the show as Sugar Motta, a tone-deaf student in more ways than one. Her attribution for her lack of social graces to "self-diagnosed Asperger's" had autism-awareness advocates up in arms. Well, Sugar was back in episode 2 — briefly, thank God — to sing poorly, insult Idina Menzel's Shelby Corcoran ("you have this irritating nasal quality"), then shrug it off: "Sorry, Asperger's."


So does this mean the whole faking AS thing is going to be a running gag?

Someone please send me a gun so I can kill myself now and be spared the oncoming stigma.

No, much better to collect together and beat the crap out of these as*holes.

If anyone goes to court for it they can just say 'Sorry, aspergers." And stick their middle finger up at the black and blue prosecution.



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29 Sep 2011, 2:42 am

In some way this is a parallels a lot of the experience of AS, not fitting in, being excluded. With all the differences and disabilities on the show, AS is the one that’s being ridiculed. It doesn’t fit in with the others.



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29 Sep 2011, 2:22 pm

flamingshorts wrote:
In some way this is a parallels a lot of the experience of AS, not fitting in, being excluded. With all the differences and disabilities on the show, AS is the one that’s being ridiculed. It doesn’t fit in with the others.


Indeed, too much like real life. Again I refer you to my last post and my request for a gun.

Plus for someone who actually was in choir in high school this brings back too many bad memories. I was a decent singer (definitely not tone deaf) but the problem was I was never a good stage singer. Every time I auditioned for something I shook horribly and could not make proper eye contact or facial expression. Even when singing with a large group, I wasn't able to stage in all the choirs everyone was disciplined as if we're professional Broadway stars like the rival high school choir Vocal Adrenaline on the show. It would've saved me a lot of pain, time, and voice lesson money if my ungodly uptight choir teachers just came up to me after my first year audition and say "we don't think you should be in choir anymore. You're not stage material and we think you're autistic" (which the teachers did admit later I showed some signs of). Not only would I have been spared years of pointless pain and embarrassment, I could've been diagnosed sooner!

Point being, I just hope that Sugar Motta doesn't give the wrong idea (to people who still don't know that she's faking it) that people with AS can't sing.



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30 Sep 2011, 12:00 am

I've never watched GLEE, so I can't really comment.


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03 Oct 2011, 11:47 am

I'm a stage actor, and practically everyone I know loves Glee (well, except me.) Think I might organize a little boycott...



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05 Oct 2011, 2:09 am

I'm a fan of Glee, it's a fun show.

Like many have said, Sugar may not even have Asperger's. She could just be making it up to excuse her bratty behavior. Or maybe she does have Asperger's and she's using that as an excuse. I've been diagnosed with Asperger's for over ten years, and I know I can come off as arrogant and callous sometimes, but I have never used my disorder as a crutch.



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12 Oct 2011, 6:27 am

I also have watched episodes of the glee. This is really an amazing tv series to watch.