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12 Dec 2011, 6:55 pm

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I think Vash the Stampede from Trigun was a great hero, I mean the guy was pratically a saint because he absolutely refused to kill anybody yet he always managed to control the situation by defeating the badguys and saving the innocent, even though he unintentionally caused massive destruction which led people to believe he was a badguy and he had a huge bounty put on his head. I think he was just a really good guy with a big heart who was misunderstood by everybody due to the horrible things his brother Knives did that he took the blame for. Also he's one of the few anime action heroes who I didn't get the impression that he was a complete sociopath.

i can agree to that. though who knows he was able to focus exclusivly on the pain on his finger to break out of the mind control of one of the villians. you cant do that unless on some level your a little crazy


True but there's different levels of "crazy" and I see his strong need to not kill anybody as the good kind of crazy.



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12 Dec 2011, 9:28 pm

very true.



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13 Dec 2011, 5:54 am

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not true or by your logic then a serial killer is perfectly justified in his choice to kill people. or a racist person has the right to kill what he is racist against. ect


Oh, hey! That's not what I was saying at all! Fantastic.



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13 Dec 2011, 7:30 am

San from Princess Mononoke. Brave, outspoken and tough, but still not afraid to show emotions and admit when her judgement might have been too harsh. She reminds me of lots of aspie women I know



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13 Dec 2011, 9:50 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
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not true or by your logic then a serial killer is perfectly justified in his choice to kill people. or a racist person has the right to kill what he is racist against. ect


Oh, hey! That's not what I was saying at all! Fantastic.

Lol then what were you saying?



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14 Dec 2011, 11:51 pm

^

Morality depends on the person. That's why each country will have it's own laws and it's own punishments.



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15 Dec 2011, 4:13 am

And thus why Kira was one of (if not the most) wanted criminals in the world, but hey he got America to largely back off by threatening them. Well even Light looks a bit like a saint compared to Mellow who was proof that Kira was the only dark side. True justice comes from respecting the morals (rules and laws) of other groups, and not just forcing your own onto them, otherwise you are just a tyrant.


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15 Dec 2011, 9:49 am

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True justice comes from respecting the morals (rules and laws) of other groups, and not just forcing your own onto them, otherwise you are just a tyrant.


I think most Christians ought to have a problem with that...



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15 Dec 2011, 6:22 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
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True justice comes from respecting the morals (rules and laws) of other groups, and not just forcing your own onto them, otherwise you are just a tyrant.


I think most Christians ought to have a problem with that...

And that is why America has so many enemies, especially in the situations where things over miniscule situations.

I feel like I should mention Alexander Anderson from Hellsing, he would likely be a hero to anyone with the same belifes as him (Catholic), but if he comes across anyone else, he is a dangerous monster.


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15 Dec 2011, 9:33 pm

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I feel like I should mention Alexander Anderson from Hellsing, he would likely be a hero to anyone with the same belifes as him (Catholic), but if he comes across anyone else, he is a dangerous monster.


Depends. As far as I've seen he only kills vampires and other supernatural creatures. They are all intrinsically evil. It's not like he's doing a bad thing. It's not like Alucard was a good guy, and what's-her-face his female slave eventually become much more cruel as time went on.



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15 Dec 2011, 10:16 pm

In the original manga and OVA based on it he kills Integra's normal human body guards and had the intent to kill her, when later told to simply deliver a message he instead starts a fight, talks about the rightfull slaughter of all "heretics" (all non Catholics) with special threats to all in Hellsing, left his leader to a painfull death, and turned himself into an inhuman monster. My point is that he did it all beliveing he was doing the right thing in the name of his god, but considered everyone who did not share his belifes as an enemy of his belife.


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15 Dec 2011, 11:59 pm

The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
True justice comes from respecting the morals (rules and laws) of other groups, and not just forcing your own onto them, otherwise you are just a tyrant.


I think most Christians ought to have a problem with that...

First off i have to agree with both of your statements. though i think everyone here forgot that the original question wasnt if light could be a hero. but whether L could be a hero. and by your statements i don't think he could be a hero either then.



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17 Dec 2011, 11:59 am

Skeith wrote:
The_Perfect_Storm wrote:
Bradleigh wrote:
True justice comes from respecting the morals (rules and laws) of other groups, and not just forcing your own onto them, otherwise you are just a tyrant.


I think most Christians ought to have a problem with that...

First off i have to agree with both of your statements. though i think everyone here forgot that the original question wasnt if light could be a hero. but whether L could be a hero. and by your statements i don't think he could be a hero either then.


Was there any question that L was no hero? None of those guys were.