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29 Oct 2014, 7:17 am

Is the show still centering around human-human conflicts? I stopped watching during the Woodboring saga, now I'm hearing stuff about cannibals and I'm just frowning, I hate it when zombies become an after-thought. I suspect I was right in dropping the show.



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29 Oct 2014, 7:51 am

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Is the show still centering around human-human conflicts? I stopped watching during the Woodboring saga, now I'm hearing stuff about cannibals and I'm just frowning, I hate it when zombies become an after-thought. I suspect I was right in dropping the show.

So, you think it would be better if they just constantly killed zombies?

Zombies are kinda one trick ponies; how do you keep them interesting over 5 seasons?

The show is really about survival ethics. Zombies are just a plot device.


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29 Oct 2014, 8:00 am

Yeah, the zombies are mostly the backdrop, although they still are a big part of the drama and horror-element of the show. There was a pretty good and interesting part involving them in the season premier however. Well actually it was very good!

Carol was subliminately badass and coated in zombie guts lead a horde of zombies in an attack on Terminus. Best battle in a while... Zombies vs Cannibals! :lol:



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29 Oct 2014, 8:29 am

I agree that the zombies seem to have gotten a lot slower and weaker. Also, there are a lot of outdoor scenes with people casually hanging out and having conversations and nary a zombie in sight. No one seems worried about them at all anymore. I realize that the zombies aren't the focus of the story right now, but it all feels a bit inconsistant.



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29 Oct 2014, 1:20 pm

The show is entertaining for what it is despite its flaws, its better when they're moving around instead of sticking in one spot like they were in earlier seasons and they've killed off the most annoying characters.



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29 Oct 2014, 1:35 pm

There's never really been anyone in the show who annoyed me. Not even Laurie, who most people loved to hate. My husband can't stand Carl for some reason. :lol:



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29 Oct 2014, 2:51 pm

Carl isn't so bad now that he's grown up a bit and isn't totally helpless.



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29 Oct 2014, 4:02 pm

I don't quite understand why Lori was so unpopular. She didn't seem annoying or bad to me. Though her role seemed at times limited to being a possession to be fought over, she did seem to pull off the awkward position pretty realistically.

I didn't like Carl all that much either in the earlier seasons, but the last two have seen a good change in him. He doesn't have an easy role, always being next to Rick to compare to.

I have had dislike for the people I was supposed to dislike, the villains that is. I never liked Lizzie either, but because I picked up early on her psychopathic tendencies.



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29 Oct 2014, 5:10 pm

I actually disagree about disliking all the villains, for me the Governor and particularly Shane seemed a lot more fleshed out and interesting in comparison to Rick and his crew. I know the Governor did some more messed up things in the comic but on the show they just came in there and ruined his little town and killed his daughter, I know why in the comic Michonne hated the Governor so much but they didn't establish that on the show. I didn't really get the Governor, they had him be charming and sympathetic one second then have him be murderous sociopath out of nowhere the next. Shane was my favorite character on the show, Jon Bernthal was by far the best actor on the show which is not immune to bad acting or writing which made it even more evident. The 4th season was good tho since they got to split off the main characters and finally established them properly on their own. Having a cast so big must make it pretty challenging to do this, I like the show better when its focused on just a couple at a time.



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29 Oct 2014, 5:36 pm

I did find the villains interesting and in each there was at least one moment when you saw the original person, that they were not all bad, and saw something of how/why they turned bad.

I did truly hate the Governor until the part where he was on his own and seemed to change. Merle was a real a-hole, but pulled out a sort of redemption in the end. Shane was always an odd man out to me, once Rick returned and I thought he brought the problems on himself. It wasn't like he didn't have options (Andrea for one). But you knew in the beginning, he did all that he could. Gareth was really weird. They made a point of showing how they started as good people and were pushed past the limit, but he seemed to enjoy his little games too much. The two guys who showed up at the bar where Rick, Hershel and Glenn were, were pretty scary villains and I was glad to see them taken out. Actually the only one I didn't want to die was Merle.



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29 Oct 2014, 6:11 pm

Kirkman is really good with his villains. They're mostly all complex and interesting, if not likeable on some level.

That's why The Walking Dead is the most successful indy comic in history--and why he's part owner of Image now.


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30 Oct 2014, 1:33 am

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Klowglas wrote:
Is the show still centering around human-human conflicts? I stopped watching during the Woodboring saga, now I'm hearing stuff about cannibals and I'm just frowning, I hate it when zombies become an after-thought. I suspect I was right in dropping the show.

So, you think it would be better if they just constantly killed zombies?

Zombies are kinda one trick ponies; how do you keep them interesting over 5 seasons?

The show is really about survival ethics. Zombies are just a plot device.


Zombies project that feeling of impending doom. Humans/human conflict don't really project that sort of feeling. It's like in the movies, when they are stuck in the barn/house and the hordes of zombies are waiting outside. That is the zombie experience that they should be focusing on, humans don't project that feeling at all. and plus, there are so many shows on television that focus on human/human conflicts, it rally losses what makes it unique when they decide to focus on them.

It would still remain interesting over several seasons too because it is survival after all, and there's so many ways you can pull the rabbit out of that hat...in the first season it was survival in that high-rise, then it was survival in the campsite, then it was survival on the freeway, then in the farn-house...they were perpetually running from the zombies (not humans) for their dear lives.

and that's not to say that there shouldn't be no human/human conflicts, but that it shouldn't be the focus point. The zombies need to be the greatest and most terrifying force in the series, when they make the humans more formidable, the feeling of impending doom and "all is lost, we're only holding on for as long as we can" completely goes away.

In Woodbury, it seemed clear to me that the creators/writers were focusing on an opposite philosophy. It stopped being a show about zombies after that, and it seems like it remained that way, shame as I really used to enjoy the series.



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30 Oct 2014, 9:17 am

Just wanted to put out a general recommendation for zombie fans.

If you haven't seen it, the Indie zombie film 'The Battery' was excellent!

It really was amazing what an interesting film they could do with hardly any money ($6.000). It has been recognized with some awards and has good to very good ratings on movie and zombie/horror sites. There are actually quite a few low and no budget indie zombie films out there.



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30 Oct 2014, 11:46 am

Toy_Soldier wrote:
Just wanted to put out a general recommendation for zombie fans.

If you haven't seen it, the Indie zombie film 'The Battery' was excellent!

It really was amazing what an interesting film they could do with hardly any money ($6.000). It has been recognized with some awards and has good to very good ratings on movie and zombie/horror sites. There are actually quite a few low and no budget indie zombie films out there.


Is it in theaters right now, or is it on DVD?


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30 Oct 2014, 3:29 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Toy_Soldier wrote:
Just wanted to put out a general recommendation for zombie fans.

If you haven't seen it, the Indie zombie film 'The Battery' was excellent!

It really was amazing what an interesting film they could do with hardly any money ($6.000). It has been recognized with some awards and has good to very good ratings on movie and zombie/horror sites. There are actually quite a few low and no budget indie zombie films out there.


Is it in theaters right now, or is it on DVD?


It is from 2012. I am not sure about DVD. But I was able to find online free. If you search videos for 'The Battery full movie' you'll see some options. I just checked and the one 32HD worked. You do have to deal with pop-ups, etc on most free sites. Might be on Youtube. Many Indie, low budget films are, for exposure I would guess.



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02 Nov 2014, 5:38 pm

I never understod the Governor's motivation for keeping the zombie heads in jars. Just trophies? It didn't really seem to fit his character.

The Terminus folks didn't make complete sense to me, either. I understand them fearing and even hating people, but luring them in and eating them? Nah. There was even a pile of stuffed animals indicating they murdered children. I just don't see a group of people who started out kind going THAT far the other way, regardless of what happened to them.