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07 Nov 2021, 12:11 pm

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... someone is not a fan of Disney...
I live in Anaheim where, if your name is not "Disney", you have little or no status with the people at City Hall.  Besides, look at what happened to "Star Wars" and the Marvel franchise after Disney got hold of them.

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I liked the new star-wars ok, and The Mandalorian was good.

But I hate Marvel lately, every movie seems like just absolute chaos where it is hard to decipher what is going on. Its like they just mashed all the Marvel stories together into one big chaotic mess. I don't like the bits that are supposed to be 'humor' its just not funny.

Its not like those spiderman movies from the early 2000's that were actually good.


The first two were great, some of the best superhero films up to that point. The third not so much.



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08 Nov 2021, 11:11 pm

My family and I will definitely be seeing this one! :D


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17 Nov 2021, 10:13 pm

cant wait!


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18 Nov 2021, 12:50 am

So is Keanu revising his role?



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18 Nov 2021, 9:54 am

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So is Keanu revising his role?
Yes.



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18 Nov 2021, 11:02 am

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So is Keanu revising his role?
Yes.


So is Carrie Anne Moss. Both Neo and Trinity should be dead though.



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18 Nov 2021, 11:04 am

Axeman wrote:
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So is Keanu revising his role?
Yes.
So is Carrie Anne Moss. Both Neo and Trinity should be dead though.
Hey, this is The Matrix!  Nothing is supposed to be real.



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18 Nov 2021, 11:07 am

Fnord wrote:
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So is Keanu revising his role?
Yes.
So is Carrie Anne Moss. Both Neo and Trinity should be dead though.
Hey, this is The Matrix!  Nothing is supposed to be real.


Trinity should be completely dead. She died in the physical world while not jacked in the Matrix. Neos mind may still exist in the Matrix, being uploaded before his physical death.



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18 Nov 2021, 6:08 pm

I have a problem with Neo's mind being preserved. The matrix is a wholly simulated virtual reality created by the Machines. It does not facilitate the downloading of human minds (outside if the body) into the matrix since that assumes conciousness exists outside of the body and the matrix never deals with
1. Separation of the mind from the body
2. Issue of consciousness



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18 Nov 2021, 6:52 pm

cyberdad wrote:
I have a problem with Neo's mind being preserved. The matrix is a wholly simulated virtual reality created by the Machines. It does not facilitate the downloading of human minds (outside if the body) into the matrix since that assumes conciousness exists outside of the body and the matrix never deals with
1. Separation of the mind from the body
2. Issue of consciousness


I think all of the metaphysical stuff in the trilogy was about this. If Smith could leave the Matrix and download into someone's brain, why can't Neo upload?



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18 Nov 2021, 7:46 pm

Axeman wrote:
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I have a problem with Neo's mind being preserved. The matrix is a wholly simulated virtual reality created by the Machines. It does not facilitate the downloading of human minds (outside if the body) into the matrix since that assumes conciousness exists outside of the body and the matrix never deals with
1. Separation of the mind from the body
2. Issue of consciousness


I think all of the metaphysical stuff in the trilogy was about this. If Smith could leave the Matrix and download into someone's brain, why can't Neo upload?


Wasn't Smith an AI program?



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18 Nov 2021, 7:59 pm

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Wasn't Smith an AI program?

Neo probably will be, too.

Idunno, I'm sure they'll explain it.


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18 Nov 2021, 8:04 pm

SabbraCadabra wrote:
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Wasn't Smith an AI program?

Neo probably will be, too.

Idunno, I'm sure they'll explain it.


But that will return to the issue of how do you download consciousness. I know this is fiction, but the matrix may be the most important piece of art evert made. It relies on actual plausibility in order to create a metaphor about human existence. By extending the matrix universe into the metaphysical realm they will ruin the story.



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18 Nov 2021, 8:56 pm

think Smith was a Anti- Virus program , Neo and his group were percieved as a virus in the matrix 8)


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18 Nov 2021, 9:55 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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I have a problem with Neo's mind being preserved. The matrix is a wholly simulated virtual reality created by the Machines. It does not facilitate the downloading of human minds (outside if the body) into the matrix since that assumes conciousness exists outside of the body and the matrix never deals with
1. Separation of the mind from the body
2. Issue of consciousness


I think all of the metaphysical stuff in the trilogy was about this. If Smith could leave the Matrix and download into someone's brain, why can't Neo upload?


Wasn't Smith an AI program?


Yes and that's my point.



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18 Nov 2021, 10:16 pm

Jakki wrote:
think Smith was a Anti- Virus program , Neo and his group were percieved as a virus in the matrix 8)


Interesting take on Smith.

Incidentally the Warshowski Brothers originally scripted the Matrix as a networked computer made of human brains and not for energy generation. Generating energy that way would be very inefficient. But at that time the film makers didn't think most people would understand the Matrix as a networked computer.