ASSUMED MOVIE, TV AND CARTOON CHARACTERS W/ ASPERGERS

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23 Jun 2009, 6:49 am

Kyle Schwartz ('Kyle One') from South Park would almost certainly be diagnosed with it.

As for the other characters, I'm not sure. Butters, maybe. ;)


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23 Jun 2009, 5:56 pm

I agree with a lot already mentioned, specifically:

Dr. Emmett "Doc" Brown (Back to the Future)
Radar O'Reilly (MASH)
The Professor (Gilligan's Island)
Maxwell Smart (Get Smart)
Niles Crane (Frasier)
Dilbert
Adrian (Rocky)
Bridget Jones


And some I didn't see suggested in the 20+ pages:

Prof. Henry Higgins (My Fair Lady)
Marian Peru (The Music Man)
Capt. Von Trapp (The Sound of Music)
"Howlin' Mad" Murdock (The A-Team)



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24 Jun 2009, 12:12 am

Almost forgot!

From "Freaks and Geeks":

Any of the "geek" characters, and those would be:

Bill, quite possibly the most Aspie character in the series since he was the most naive, was the one to most frequently make irrelevant comments, and also 'cuz he seemed to be rejected/misunderstood most often

Neal, for similar reasons to Howard from "The Big Bang Theory", in that he thinks he's cool and thinks everyone likes him but clearly not everyone does.

Sam, for similar reasons to Leonard from "The Big Bang Theory" (wow, a lot of similar characters here :P ) in that despite the fact that he's social he just doesn't seem to get the hang of how to socialize sometimes.

Harris since he just seems like some sort of super-genius whiz kid on the show. This character is probably the only case in which both the character and the actor are (probably) Aspie. I don't know this for sure but some of the things I've heard about Stephen Lea Sheppard make him sound this way.

Gordon 'cuz he has a very innocent aspect to him, and also 'cuz his appearance doesn't seem to affect him that much.

In "Family Guy":

Mort Goldman and his family - all of them are super-sensitive but super-smart people who have underdeveloped social skills.

I think Stewie and Brian would be more likely to be diagnosed bipolar than Asperger's, esp. Stewie

In "Fairly OddParents":

A.J. is probably the most obvious Aspie here 'cuz he's smart way beyond his years for a 10-year-old

Chester 'cuz he seems to have problems with his appearance and with understanding people

Timmy, for similar reasons to Sam from "Freaks and Geeks" and Leonard from "The Big Bang Theory" (read my prev. descriptions for those characters) Like both of those characters, also, Timmy has a crush on a girl who's way out of his league socially.

Elmer, the kid with the weird voice, thick glasses, and large boil (need I say more? :P )

Maybe Crocker, though I think he'd be more likely to be diagnosed bipolar.



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24 Jun 2009, 12:45 pm

Towelie from South Park, I'm totally serious



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24 Jun 2009, 1:41 pm

I always thought Haruhi and Konata were aspies.

Haruhi is obsessed with aliens, time travellers, and espers. I mean seriously obsessed. She does not form friendships well, and is always talking about her obsession. She has, apparently, a complete lack of understanding of social rules. She is always blunt in conversation and action.

Konata's only friendship that can be considered "normal" is... really, none at all. There are some theories, in fact, that Konata is only friends with Miyuki and Kagami is because she has a romantic interest in them (which the anime provides ample evidence for). She is obsessed with anime, manga, video games, and dating sims. She also very rarely shows any facial expressions. She also tends to be extraordinarily blunt.


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24 Jun 2009, 2:16 pm

MrLoony wrote:
I always thought Haruhi and Konata were aspies.

Haruhi is obsessed with aliens, time travellers, and espers. I mean seriously obsessed. She does not form friendships well, and is always talking about her obsession. She has, apparently, a complete lack of understanding of social rules. She is always blunt in conversation and action.


Seriously in that show... nobody is "normal"



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Konata's only friendship that can be considered "normal" is... really, none at all. There are some theories, in fact, that Konata is only friends with Miyuki and Kagami is because she has a romantic interest in them (which the anime provides ample evidence for). She is obsessed with anime, manga, video games, and dating sims. She also very rarely shows any facial expressions. She also tends to be extraordinarily blunt.

An Otaku for a dad?

Yeah that probably isn't AS just really weird role models influencing you...



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24 Jun 2009, 3:07 pm

Just finished reading all 28 pages, and... amazing.

I think we're more likely to recognize those traits though, given that we have them. I also don't think a lot of them have Aspergers, but they're still on the spectrum somewhere. Just say PDD-NOS; it's a useful catchall term.

As for other species, aren't we measuring according to traits and not culture? It's the effect that matters, not the cause.

Not all androids are Aspies. I wouldn't call Lore one (although that could be because I hope he isn't).

I've got no-one to add to the list though.



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24 Jun 2009, 3:33 pm

EtotheC wrote:
MrLoony wrote:
I always thought Haruhi and Konata were aspies.

Haruhi is obsessed with aliens, time travellers, and espers. I mean seriously obsessed. She does not form friendships well, and is always talking about her obsession. She has, apparently, a complete lack of understanding of social rules. She is always blunt in conversation and action.


Seriously in that show... nobody is "normal"


I was more going by the book, actually. Your argument doesn't change her AS traits. And the fact that nobody is "normal" could be because of the fact that Haruhi has AS. Hmmm?

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MrLoony wrote:
Konata's only friendship that can be considered "normal" is... really, none at all. There are some theories, in fact, that Konata is only friends with Miyuki and Kagami is because she has a romantic interest in them (which the anime provides ample evidence for). She is obsessed with anime, manga, video games, and dating sims. She also very rarely shows any facial expressions. She also tends to be extraordinarily blunt.

An Otaku for a dad?

Yeah that probably isn't AS just really weird role models influencing you...


That doesn't explain anything, really, except her choice in obsessions. There are also other traits that I didn't list because I think that those really are the big ones that are almost absolutely AS. Plus there are some I forgot, I'm sure.


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24 Jun 2009, 3:48 pm

MrLoony wrote:
EtotheC wrote:
MrLoony wrote:
I always thought Haruhi and Konata were aspies.

Haruhi is obsessed with aliens, time travellers, and espers. I mean seriously obsessed. She does not form friendships well, and is always talking about her obsession. She has, apparently, a complete lack of understanding of social rules. She is always blunt in conversation and action.


Seriously in that show... nobody is "normal"


I was more going by the book, actually. Your argument doesn't change her AS traits. And the fact that nobody is "normal" could be because of the fact that Haruhi has AS. Hmmm?

But you can only define normal based on the character's point of view
and due to the cultural barriers and the perceived randomness of Japanese humour, you could simply say that most of Japan are borderline AS

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Konata's only friendship that can be considered "normal" is... really, none at all. There are some theories, in fact, that Konata is only friends with Miyuki and Kagami is because she has a romantic interest in them (which the anime provides ample evidence for). She is obsessed with anime, manga, video games, and dating sims. She also very rarely shows any facial expressions. She also tends to be extraordinarily blunt.

An Otaku for a dad?
Yeah that probably isn't AS just really weird role models influencing you...


That doesn't explain anything, really, except her choice in obsessions. There are also other traits that I didn't list because I think that those really are the big ones that are almost absolutely AS. Plus there are some I forgot, I'm sure.


So most of the Akihabara frequenting public is AS?
Sometimes Geeks are just Geeks

Also image projection is a trait I have commonly recognised in individuals with AS,this could be an explanation for your opinion.

But by a similar string of logic I could also say that Golgo 13 is AS, because he has textbook traits of it, but he isn't, he is just a man, a man with a mission.
In the end yes it may be that Haruhi and Konata do portray facets of an AS spectrum personality, butt I sincerely doubt that the creators intended it this way.
A)Because Lucky Star, having originated in a 4koma, has almost no chance of logically having that kind of intended depth of character
B)Haruhi is regarded in the Show (despite all it's craziness) as an Anomaly in space time, thus she is highly unlikely to be AS as very few ordinary Universal constants apply to her. In this sense it would be like labeling Zeus as being a megalomaniac, due to the fact that ordinary constraints of humanity do not apply to him, nor does the psychological traits of a human.



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24 Jun 2009, 4:13 pm

OK, first of all, spoilers.

Secondly: Of course they don't intend their characters to have AS. Autism is rarely ever intentionally placed in media unless it's low-functioning, and then it's mentioned outright.

Most creators, however, create characters that are based off of someone they know, or pieces of people they know, even if this is done unintentionally. Hence, "write what you know." This is also why writers have such difficulty with character's changes over time: The person/people they know did not go through those things, so how would the writer know how that would change them?

Autistics on the high-functioning end can easily go undiagnosed if the parents are ignorant of the high-functioning side of the autism spectrum, and so a character that is partially based off of an autistic person is likely to creep into shows whether or not the creator intended for a particular character to be autistic.

You've also said nothing of Haruhi's autistic traits that have nothing to do with her status in the books. The fact that she has these abnormal traits that make her the subject of interest in the books has nothing to do with her personality traits which are autistic.


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24 Jun 2009, 4:22 pm

MrLoony wrote:
Of course they don't intend their characters to have AS.


Exactly, so if the creators didn't intend them to have it, then they don't, as it adds another facet to their character purely by being specifically intended as an AS character.

Whilst I do see your (quite good) points, the fact is a character cannot have traits such as that, which the creator did not intend, as that in itself redefines their character.
Though for the sake of this topic I will agree that yes, the characters do portray traits, but this is just an assumption (albeit based on said traits), hence the topic title: "ASSUMED MOVIE, TV AND CARTOON...".

However if we examined this topic even more deeply, you may find that I was joking, due to the referencing of Golgo 13, Zeus, Lucky Star and Haruhi in the same paragraph.Still I do see that the points you made about their character traits are well observed, though quite moot.



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24 Jun 2009, 4:38 pm

I do not know what Golgo 13 is, so I do not get the reference.

Keep in mind that just because a creator doesn't intend for a character to have AS doesn't mean they don't. Just because the creator is ignorant of the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum doesn't mean that they can't accidently create a character that is on that end. Heck, before I was even aware of AS at all, I had planned out a character that was nearly exactly like me. Does that mean that the character isn't autistic, simply because I was unaware?


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24 Jun 2009, 4:42 pm

MrLoony wrote:
I do not know what Golgo 13 is, so I do not get the reference.


Kids these days...

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Keep in mind that just because a creator doesn't intend for a character to have AS doesn't mean they don't. Just because the creator is ignorant of the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum doesn't mean that they can't accidently create a character that is on that end.

That's disobeying a primary rule of character development in fiction, the creator/ writer has to decide all facets of the character, the rest is up to fanfictions.

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Heck, before I was even aware of AS at all, I had planned out a character that was nearly exactly like me. Does that mean that the character isn't autistic, simply because I was unaware?

No again, as I have previously stated, Image projection is common amongst those with AS.



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Keep in mind that just because a creator doesn't intend for a character to have AS doesn't mean they don't. Just because the creator is ignorant of the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum doesn't mean that they can't accidently create a character that is on that end.

That's disobeying a primary rule of character development in fiction, the creator/ writer has to decide all facets of the character, the rest is up to fanfictions.


Very well, I have a new character for you: Jimmy Shofala. He cannot move his legs, has no feeling in them, is essentially cut off from them. He spends his days in a wheelchair. However, he is not paralyzed.


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Keep in mind that just because a creator doesn't intend for a character to have AS doesn't mean they don't. Just because the creator is ignorant of the high-functioning end of the autism spectrum doesn't mean that they can't accidently create a character that is on that end.

That's disobeying a primary rule of character development in fiction, the creator/ writer has to decide all facets of the character, the rest is up to fanfictions.


Very well, I have a new character for you: Jimmy Shofala. He cannot move his legs, has no feeling in them, is essentially cut off from them. He spends his days in a wheelchair. However, he is not paralyzed.


You are kind of missing the point, paralysis is an easily defined moto-physical aspect to a person, not a psycho-neurological one.It is far easier to define. Please read my points carefully before making rash posts that have very little founding in logic.



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24 Jun 2009, 5:01 pm

So because it's a difference in the brain, instead of the spine, it suddenly means that a creator must declare that the difference is there? If I put a character in a chair with complete loss of muscle function and a complete loss of feeling, it will be understood that the character has paralysis. If I didn't know about paralysis, then the character would still be paralyzed.

If a character has AS, they have AS. It's not a matter of what the creator intends. It's a matter of the function of the character's brain, but it's still a physiological difference. It's in that character's DNA.


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