Does anyone else have problem with Titanic?

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Which of the two things I named you have problem with?
I don't have problem with either 44%  44%  [ 24 ]
I have problem with both 33%  33%  [ 18 ]
I have problem with her letting him die, but NOT with her throwing away that thing at the end of the movie 16%  16%  [ 9 ]
I have a problem with her throwing it away at the end of the movie but NOT with her letting him die 7%  7%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 55

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01 Jul 2010, 11:33 pm

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I love "My Heart Will Go On", what could anyone possibly have against it?


Are you being sarcastic?

Actually I LOVE to sing this song at karaoke. Celine Dion is cheesy though.



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01 Jul 2010, 11:40 pm

No I was being dead serious. Might not be the first song I want to hear today (actually pretty close to the last one) but I like it along with at least half a dozen other of her songs when I'm in a decent mood, Which is rare.


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02 Jul 2010, 12:19 am

I used to hear that song all the time back when I movie first came out. Then when the talent show came, about half of the students who were performing in the show all sang the song and it got old.
Because I heard the song so many times on the radio, I had half of it memorized.

What's funny was I heard that young girls and teens were seeing the movie because of Jack, they thought he was so cute but my responses to my parents were "I saw the movie because of the ship and I thought it was interesting." Then I got sucked into it and started thinking how cute he was and also got obsessed. But I mostly was interested in the ship and the disaster.

But I learned on VH1 that Celine Dion actually sang "Beauty and the Beast" and I was surprised because I never recognized her in that song even though I heard "My Heart Will Go On" over and over. But she didn't get her fame in the USA until she sang that song so she got noticed.



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02 Jul 2010, 5:47 am

Haven't seen it, probably never will.


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02 Jul 2010, 6:32 am

I liked the movie, mostly because it involves a passenger liner of that era (I love those things) and also involves a ship sinking - I'm a keen wreck-diver.

To cover the questions posed by the OP, though, my take is this:

Jack dying: Firstly, they were conforming to the morals of the age. And you'll probably find that those morals still exist for a lot of people - the men will take their chances to ensure their wives etc. are safe.

Also, think about this: here is someone you are heavily in love with, care about more than anything in the world. How would you feel if you let them die to save yourself? Would you be able to look yourself in the mirror? Or would you end up drinking yourself into a stupour every night for the rest of your (short) life to blot out the memory? Jack took the easy route and died. Rose at least could fall back on the social codes that dictated that Jack stay in the water - it may not have occurred to either of them to do anything different, so perhaps for her the question wouldn't have arisen. And remember that she was unconcious while he died (which indicates hypothermia, and likely she'd have pegged it in her sleep, but we have to ignore that). And yes, she was selfish anyway - she tossed the diamond...

Tossing the diamond:
I guess she didn't want to sell it as she wanted to make her own way in the world - fair enough. But consider this as well - the diamond wasn't hers. If she'd sold it, it would have been very public - a blue diamond the size of a plum? Rare indeed. And her former fiance (or his family) would have laid claim to it, she'd go to jail as well as losing her new life. She could, however, have sold the thing when she was old and let whoever could prove ownership try their best - given the length of time that had passed probably no-one would know.

Now that is how I usually kill conversations...



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02 Jul 2010, 7:53 pm

I was constantly asking when the ship would finally sink..............yes, I was younger back then.



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03 Jul 2010, 1:05 am

I liked the part when he went for a swim ahahahahahahhahaha that was comedy right there.



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03 Jul 2010, 3:09 am

I also had a big problem with the way Jack and Rose meet. When she is hanging off the back of the ship. It was a bit ridiculous. But I suppose he needed that scene to ensure Jack saved her and then got invited to dinner with them.



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03 Jul 2010, 6:34 am

Robdemanc wrote:
I also had a big problem with the way Jack and Rose meet. When she is hanging off the back of the ship. It was a bit ridiculous. But I suppose he needed that scene to ensure Jack saved her and then got invited to dinner with them.


>>> They could have met under mundane circumstances, with out having to "Nuke the fridge". In many romance movies, a waif like man falls in love with heiress, and begins to stalk her (some how in this context being a creepy stalker is ok I guess). Maybe they bump into each other alot.



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22 Aug 2010, 6:22 pm

Janissy wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Jack and Rose are fictitious. .



That right there is the only important thing. Analysing their actions as though they were actual people instead of narrative contructs is silly and illogical. Their actions were not based on what works best in reality. Their actions were based on what a writer thought would best move the plot along.

I've sat at the cafeteria table listening to my coworkers actually get upset about the "thoughtless" actions of a sitcom character. I've wanted to scream, "he said those terrible things because the writer put it in the script to get you to watch the show-it's not real". I thought people here were immune to that silliness but no. Yeesh!


+ A billion points!! !

Makes the point that it's just a movie. Though I think Jack's death really helps the movie in terms of emotion and depth. I was spoiled as to what happened (the death, not the sinking :lol:) before I finally saw this film. I didnt really care that I was spoiled about Jack's death but I will admit it made me all the more intrigued to watch out just to find out how he died.

And if you guys want to watch a ridiculous film adaptation of the Titanic watched the TV minieseries version with Tim Curry and Catherine Zeta-Jones. It has a strange combination of inaccuracies, theories, and little things that the James Cameron film doesnt cover.



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22 Aug 2010, 6:24 pm

Dicaprio dies in everyone of his movies so it was only necessary for him to die there too. Maybe next one he gets to die in space.



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22 Aug 2010, 6:39 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
I also had a big problem with the way Jack and Rose meet. When she is hanging off the back of the ship. It was a bit ridiculous. But I suppose he needed that scene to ensure Jack saved her and then got invited to dinner with them.

Although Jack and Rose are fictitious characters, their meeting illustrates what happened on Titanic, according to my treasured copy of The Wreck and Sinking of The Titanic The Ocean's Greatest Disaster. Jack was from steerage while Rose was from first class. There would be many instances of the rich rescuing the poor during the doomed voyage. In the lifeboats, rich women sat close to poor immigrants and on the Cunard rescue ship the Carpathia, everyone was treated equally despite economic or social status.



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22 Aug 2010, 6:40 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
I also had a big problem with the way Jack and Rose meet. When she is hanging off the back of the ship. It was a bit ridiculous. But I suppose he needed that scene to ensure Jack saved her and then got invited to dinner with them.

Although Jack and Rose are fictitious characters, their meeting illustrates what happened on Titanic, according to my treasured copy of The Wreck and Sinking of The Titanic The Ocean's Greatest Disaster. Jack was from steerage while Rose was from first class. There would be many instances of the rich rescuing the poor during the doomed voyage. In the lifeboats, rich women sat close to poor immigrants and on the Cunard rescue ship the Carpathia, everyone was treated equally despite economic or social status.



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22 Aug 2010, 6:56 pm

The movie was about the realities of what happened for real. The main characters were fictional, so I don't care what happened to them. They were just incidental to the real story.

Honestly, the thing that bothered me about the Titanic (the movie, not the boat), is that they felt they had to add fictional stories to make me care about the horrid realities of what actually happened. I don't need true tragedy to be enhanced in order to care. I think it's really sad that anyone would.


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23 Aug 2010, 2:06 am

I hardly remember that movie at all.


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23 Aug 2010, 5:24 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Robdemanc wrote:
I also had a big problem with the way Jack and Rose meet. When she is hanging off the back of the ship. It was a bit ridiculous. But I suppose he needed that scene to ensure Jack saved her and then got invited to dinner with them.

Although Jack and Rose are fictitious characters, their meeting illustrates what happened on Titanic, according to my treasured copy of The Wreck and Sinking of The Titanic The Ocean's Greatest Disaster. Jack was from steerage while Rose was from first class. There would be many instances of the rich rescuing the poor during the doomed voyage. In the lifeboats, rich women sat close to poor immigrants and on the Cunard rescue ship the Carpathia, everyone was treated equally despite economic or social status.


I see. You think James Cameron tried to symbolise the titanic story in that scene where Jack saves Rose from jumping off the back of the ship. Interesting I suppose.