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20 Dec 2011, 3:54 pm

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If your so obsessed with the flaw of Batman's moral code being violated, then why don't you have a meeting with Christopher Nolan and ask him why?


Huh?

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And didn't he fail to save Joker, Penguin and Two-Face in the first 3 movies? If that isn't a contradiction, then i'm Alice Cooper's uncle.


Those movies didn't spend 30 minutes telling us again and again that Batman would never kill. EDIT: Wait, he did sort of kill Two-Face in Part 3 after telling Dick that he shouldn't, didn't he? Oh well, that movie blows anyway.

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You do get to do that if your hero is not a hero , but a self-deceiving, psychotic phony.


No argument there.


Joker died by falling off a church via the sheer weight of a gargoyle attached to his leg, Penguin died by falling through a glass window of his old lair and suffering a combination of internal injuries and (i think) the AC malfunctioning. Tommy Lee Jones made a crap Two-Face, Aaron Eckhart pisses all over him.

And my first few words, it's sarcasm :roll:


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20 Dec 2011, 4:05 pm

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Joker died by falling off a church via the sheer weight of a gargoyle attached to his leg, Penguin died by falling through a glass window of his old lair and suffering a combination of internal injuries and (i think) the AC malfunctioning. Tommy Lee Jones made a crap Two-Face, Aaron Eckhart pisses all over him.


If those were the Nolan films, Batman would have said something like, "No, you see, I'm not killing the Joker. I'm just attaching a cable to his leg so that the gargoyle will cause him to fall several hundred feet to the street below. It's totally not killing!"

Speaking of contradicting the way a movie establishes a character, Schumacher did that with Two-Face. He would flip a coin and accept the result no matter what, but then when he wanted to kill Bruce, he kept flipping it until he got the result he wanted.



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20 Dec 2011, 4:10 pm

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Joker died by falling off a church via the sheer weight of a gargoyle attached to his leg, Penguin died by falling through a glass window of his old lair and suffering a combination of internal injuries and (i think) the AC malfunctioning. Tommy Lee Jones made a crap Two-Face, Aaron Eckhart pisses all over him.


If those were the Nolan films, Batman would have said something like, "No, you see, I'm not killing the Joker. I'm just attaching a cable to his leg so that the gargoyle will cause him to fall several hundred feet to the street below. It's totally not killing!"

Speaking of contradicting the way a movie establishes a character, Schumacher did that with Two-Face. He would flip a coin and accept the result no matter what, but then when he wanted to kill Bruce, he kept flipping it until he got the result he wanted.



So Michael Keaton's Batman had a valid motive for killing the Joker when he realises Mr J killed his parents? No offense, but the backstory Burton tried so hard to flesh out and make Bats look more angry is nothing but a big pile of w*k.


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20 Dec 2011, 4:14 pm

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So Michael Keaton's Batman had a valid motive for killing the Joker when he realises Mr J killed his parents? No offense, but the backstory Burton tried so hard to flesh out and make Bats look more angry is nothing but a big pile of w*k.


None taken. I don't care about that backstory one way or another.

I do, however, like that the movie didn't waste a bunch of time telling me that Bruce would never kill.



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20 Dec 2011, 5:25 pm

Jory wrote:
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So Michael Keaton's Batman had a valid motive for killing the Joker when he realises Mr J killed his parents? No offense, but the backstory Burton tried so hard to flesh out and make Bats look more angry is nothing but a big pile of w*k.


None taken. I don't care about that backstory one way or another.

I do, however, like that the movie didn't waste a bunch of time telling me that Bruce would never kill.


Fair enough, i just happen to be a person who likes BOTH the Burton and the Nolan films. Even though the former's first two entries are bona-fide classics, they feel empty and dated now when up against the realistic and gritty setting of Begins and TDK. Those who moan about Bale's voice are probably Adam West/George Clooney fans who want Bats to be a wooden and camp superhero, no offense! :D


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20 Dec 2011, 6:03 pm

LexingtonDeville wrote:
Jory wrote:
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So Michael Keaton's Batman had a valid motive for killing the Joker when he realises Mr J killed his parents? No offense, but the backstory Burton tried so hard to flesh out and make Bats look more angry is nothing but a big pile of w*k.


None taken. I don't care about that backstory one way or another.

I do, however, like that the movie didn't waste a bunch of time telling me that Bruce would never kill.


Fair enough, i just happen to be a person who likes BOTH the Burton and the Nolan films. Even though the former's first two entries are bona-fide classics, they feel empty and dated now when up against the realistic and gritty setting of Begins and TDK. Those who moan about Bale's voice are probably Adam West/George Clooney fans who want Bats to be a wooden and camp superhero, no offense! :D


I guess I'm one of the few people here who actually likes Bale's throaty Batman voice. It's not like he'd want to be identified by the sound of his voice, after all.

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21 Dec 2011, 11:16 am

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This is why I don't have a problem with Batman killing in the Burton films. It was never established that he wouldn't do that. Burton wasn't breaking his own rules.


what about in Batman, he spent the whole movie not killing criminals, suddenly, after he found out that the Joker killed his parents, Batman blew up a whole factory FULL of people?

what about in Batman Returns after killing tons of criminals, Batman decided NOT to kill Christopher Walken for some unknown reason?

say what you want about Nolan, but Burton portrayed batman as an inconsistent, thuggish psychopath. I'll take Nolan over Burton any time of the week



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21 Dec 2011, 2:55 pm

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This is why I don't have a problem with Batman killing in the Burton films. It was never established that he wouldn't do that. Burton wasn't breaking his own rules.


what about in Batman, he spent the whole movie not killing criminals, suddenly, after he found out that the Joker killed his parents, Batman blew up a whole factory FULL of people?

what about in Batman Returns after killing tons of criminals, Batman decided NOT to kill Christopher Walken for some unknown reason?

say what you want about Nolan, but Burton portrayed batman as an inconsistent, thuggish psychopath. I'll take Nolan over Burton any time of the week


I certainly prefer Nolan's Bats over Burton's. Then again, Burton's Batman was great for it's time - - which is now sadly passed.

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23 Dec 2011, 2:32 am

Oh yeah....

Bruce is walking with a cane, and BANE!

Knightfall much?


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23 Dec 2011, 9:23 am

The tattoo on my right arm is the Knightfall logo.

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How things have changed. Less than a decade ago, I thought it was a good idea to spend $75 to get a Batman tattoo. Today, I couldn't get excited over a Batman movie if I tried.



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23 Dec 2011, 9:54 am

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The tattoo on my right arm is the Knightfall logo.

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How things have changed. Less than a decade ago, I thought it was a good idea to spend $75 to get a Batman tattoo. Today, I couldn't get excited over a Batman movie if I tried.



Once again, to each their own. I bet you'll get excited when the supposed "reboot" after TDKR's credits role next summer though..... :P


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23 Dec 2011, 9:57 am

Doubt it. I fully expect the next Batman film to copy Nolan's trilogy as much as possible. Warner Bros. is going to suck that tit for all it's worth.



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23 Dec 2011, 12:08 pm

You have a Batman tattoo Jory? Lol.



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23 Dec 2011, 12:18 pm

Yeah. It's probably somewhere around #75 on the list of my dumbest decisions.



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23 Dec 2011, 1:58 pm

All I would like to say is I'm wanting some evidence, tangible evidence without bias, about any and all claims of the Nolan or Burton films and anything else Batman being bad, rather than just comments saying that they are, for example, not taking this from any post but made up to illustrate a point, "Pretentious s**t". Want this before I start engaging in discussion.

Also, I could understand Bane from the first time I watched the trailer. "When Gotham is in ashes, you have my permission to die." A bit muffled, but I understood it. Awesome trailer. Can't wait for the movie.



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23 Dec 2011, 3:00 pm

LexingtonDeville wrote:
Jory wrote:
The tattoo on my right arm is the Knightfall logo.

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How things have changed. Less than a decade ago, I thought it was a good idea to spend $75 to get a Batman tattoo. Today, I couldn't get excited over a Batman movie if I tried.



Once again, to each their own. I bet you'll get excited when the supposed "reboot" after TDKR's credits role next summer though..... :P


If they reboot, I'd like to see something that splits the difference between Nolan and Burton style wise...

Alternatively, the flying Batmobile might signal a transition to Batman Beyond... It's not likely, but could happen--especially if Bane cripples Bruce Wayne.

More Knightfall: There seems to be a massive prison break happening, and Bane seems to be talking to an unmasked, incapacitated Bruce Wayne.


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