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27 Sep 2009, 3:10 pm

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revenge is bad.


Revenge is Just. Don't get mad. Get even.

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27 Sep 2009, 3:35 pm

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Inglourious Basterds is also fiction.


That it is. Unfortunately there was never any organized Jewish revenge against the Nazis.

The only plausible Jewish revenge I could think of, was finishing our A-bomb six months sooner and nuking Dresden.

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Fiction it may be, but it is fiction grounded in a real conflict, based around real politics.. unlike Star Wars or Doctor Who.

I dont see it as implausible for Jews to engage in this sort of terror work. The fact that no evidence has come to light of it occurring does not invalidate it as a possibility, or preclude the possibility of evidence coming to light at some point. The fact that jewish regulars fell under the military control/discipline of Aliled powers would probably prevent the worst excesses, but as allied troops were not above acts like killing prisoners, and occasionally mutilating corpses or taking trophies, I see no reason why jewish soldiers could not have done such things. Considering that other "occupied" nations acted in very unpleasant ways to Germans as they were liberated, is it so very implausible that Jews might act in such a way?

Incidentally the original (and correctly spelled) Inglorious Bastards contains NO jews. It is an explotation movie, mildly amusing, technically inaccurate (american halftracks used as Hanomags etc) , and much copied. It contains NO atrocities, mutilations, or other tortures. Just "yanks" hosing down Nazis by the dozen with Tommy Guns. The only really intriguing part is the brief use of what appears to be a Universal Carrier with a superstructure welded on top to resemble some sort of tank.


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28 Sep 2009, 6:17 am

If a nazi like Hans Landa was about to fall down a cliff, i would try to save him.



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28 Sep 2009, 10:37 am

I have been trying to work out why Tarantino spelled "inglorious" wrongly, as "inglourious". He explains away the misspelling of "basterds" by saying it's the way it sounds, but the "inglourious"?

And I was thinking that it is either something personal, ... or because it makes a good anagram! :)

So I just looked up "inglourious basterds" on an anagram generator, asking for no more than three-word answers. This already generates in excess of 50,000 anagrams, and I only got round to looking at the first 5,000, but here are a few of the best ones! ;) :lol:

"Brad's Lousiest Outing"
"Debasing Riotous Slur"
"Our Lousiest Brigands"
"Rabid Neurologists us"
"So Rousing Brutalised"
"Rabid Urges Solutions"
"Abusing Soldier Tours"
"Biased Glorious Runts"
"Absolution Girders Us"
"Brutalises Good Ruins"
"Saboteur Riding Souls"

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28 Sep 2009, 12:22 pm

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If a nazi like Hans Landa was about to fall down a cliff, i would try to save him.


I would have been the one to push him over the edge.

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28 Sep 2009, 4:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
If a nazi like Hans Landa was about to fall down a cliff, i would try to save him.


I would have been the one to push him over the edge.

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Why would you do that?



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28 Sep 2009, 7:33 pm

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ruveyn wrote:
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If a nazi like Hans Landa was about to fall down a cliff, i would try to save him.


I would have been the one to push him over the edge.

ruveyn


Why would you do that?


He is an evil son of a b***h who orders the shooting of unarmed people.

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29 Sep 2009, 5:50 am

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It is like my Daddy taught me; don't get mad. Get even.
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Isn't that what the Nazi's somehow believed they were doing? Getting even with those who'd previously wronged them? Mixed in with the psychological damage cause by the gruesome parenting methods of that era. Isn't this the case with most 'causes' ?


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29 Sep 2009, 8:57 am

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ruveyn wrote:
It is like my Daddy taught me; don't get mad. Get even.
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Isn't that what the Nazi's somehow believed they were doing? Getting even with those who'd previously wronged them? Mixed in with the psychological damage cause by the gruesome parenting methods of that era. Isn't this the case with most 'causes' ?


There are real wrongs and imagined wrongs. The Nazis deluded themselves into thinking that Jews had harmed Germany. Not true. The dwelled on the "stab in the back" myth blaming their loss in The Great War on the Jews. It wasn't so. It was the incompetence of their generals and the scattered brainedness of the the Kaiser.

I take a different view. If my enemy smites me on my cheek, I will decapitate him (so to speak) and pee down his severed neck. I believe in getting even for real wrongs, not imagined wrongs.

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29 Sep 2009, 11:14 am

ruveyn wrote:
ManErg wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
It is like my Daddy taught me; don't get mad. Get even.
ruveyn

Isn't that what the Nazi's somehow believed they were doing? Getting even with those who'd previously wronged them? Mixed in with the psychological damage cause by the gruesome parenting methods of that era. Isn't this the case with most 'causes' ?


There are real wrongs and imagined wrongs. The Nazis deluded themselves into thinking that Jews had harmed Germany. Not true. The dwelled on the "stab in the back" myth blaming their loss in The Great War on the Jews. It wasn't so. It was the incompetence of their generals and the scattered brainedness of the the Kaiser.

I take a different view. If my enemy smites me on my cheek, I will decapitate him (so to speak) and pee down his severed neck. I believe in getting even for real wrongs, not imagined wrongs.

ruveyn


Problem is, that isnt getting "even".. thats an escalation. By that you invite an "evening" in return. So the relatives/supporters of your enemy feel justified in returning that assault on you and yours... except that you will never accept that, and wil retaliate in turn, and thus matters escalate. The Versailles treaty was far too harsh on Germany, and was a serious boost in the rise of the NSDAP and the collapse of Weimar. If certain western powers had not been deadset on crippling Germany completely and exacting revenge, they wouldnt have then spent so long being dominated by a Germany hell-bent on getting revenge themselves. (Certainly the recalling of loans by 0 a Depression crippled USA didnt help, but as with all things, there are ususally several factors involved.

Being nice and huggy to your enemy will mostly result in failure, but often reacting with overwhelming violence will be an equal failure, and sometimes even worse.


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29 Sep 2009, 12:44 pm

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Being nice and huggy to your enemy will mostly result in failure, but often reacting with overwhelming violence will be an equal failure, and sometimes even worse.


Not if one is thorough. No survivors.

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29 Sep 2009, 2:41 pm

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Not if one is thorough. No survivors.

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Ah, yes... the final solution.



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29 Sep 2009, 3:35 pm

ascan wrote:
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Not if one is thorough. No survivors.

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Ah, yes... the final solution.


If something is to be done, it should be done in a thorough manner. Half-measures are no-measures.

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29 Sep 2009, 5:22 pm

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Being nice and huggy to your enemy will mostly result in failure, but often reacting with overwhelming violence will be an equal failure, and sometimes even worse.


Not if one is thorough. No survivors.

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No-one is EVER that thorough. Even when they try to industrialize the process.

http://luishipolito.wordpress.com/2009/ ... -thriller/

Interesting tale ^.


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30 Sep 2009, 11:46 am

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No-one is EVER that thorough. Even when they try to industrialize the process.

http://luishipolito.wordpress.com/2009/ ... -thriller/

Interesting tale ^.


I would have to see some documentation before I accept this account. If it is true, I am utterly delighted. If it is not true, it is a good rollicking story.

I have some reservations in believing this account. Why? Because Jews are disinclined to violent acts of revenge. There is more of a tendency to follow retribution by legal and institutional means. Like the work of Weissenthal.

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05 Oct 2009, 1:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
If a nazi like Hans Landa was about to fall down a cliff, i would try to save him.


I would have been the one to push him over the edge.

ruveyn


Why would you do that?


He is an evil son of a b***h who orders the shooting of unarmed people.

ruveyn


it does not mean it you do it back to him, anyway what would Gandhi say about what the Inglorious basterds did to the Nazis (eg beating unarmed Nazis with Cubs and marking Nazis with Swastikas)