Does anyone else have problem with Titanic?

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The day I ever have a 'problem' with a movie will be the day that I have an even bigger problem with myself than that which I enjoy due to Asperger's.

I didn't bother reading the OP

Suggestion; like bad television programming, if you don't like it, change the channel or switch it off and go and do something less mind numbing

No, I think it's a beautiful film.

I will agree with some of the others though that Rose MAyBE could have saved Jack.

My words exactly! And BTW, when I was a kid, Titanic was my special interest, too. I even made a home-made book, a dictionary of titanic, in which I stored everything that I could find about the ship in an alphabetical order. I even put in in a plaster, in case I would be sailing on another ship one day and it would sink At one point, I was even imagining that I would be postmortally famous if somebody found my old home-made dictionary in the depths of the Atlantic ocean. I was really crazy back then, haha )

It's just a movie.

Agreed it's just a movie.

Really its a fantasy wrapped around a historical event.
Think about this: Ironman, Captain America, Spiderman etc are all capable of superhuman feats, of coarse we all know it is a fantasy and not real.
The same is true with social stuff, love stories, relationships they are presented in an appealing fantasy form.
Do you think a woman like Kate Winslet would not marry up if she had the chance? Just chuck millions of dollars in wealth away? Money means nothing to Kate Winslet? Impossible! You would never see this in real life.

Kate Winslet being a covert gold digger? Thinking she is far above the pooer masses? Now that's something I can believe, but it is socially unacceptable and unappealing to the masses.

The Titanic movie is not a documentary, that's very boring to most. The social and interpersonal details are presented to have a broad appeal.

--How was Jack's death her fault? He willingly gave his life to save hers.

--Jack was already dead when she pulled him off of the wood. No one could have saved him.

--Rose wasn't looking to be famous. What she did at the end was symbolic--remember that the necklace was called "The Heart Of The Ocean." Rose thought it was appropriate that she put the necklace where she felt it belonged--in the heart of the ocean. Another thought--her throwing it into the ocean probably helped her to let go of the past completely. Not that she ever forgot about Jack, don't get me wrong, she never did. I think she kept the necklace with her in case she ever got the chance to tell her story, and/or was able to go back out to sea. Just my two cents.

That... makes so much sense actually. I was always really confused about that...

I only watched it once, when I was still pretty young. I'm not interested in love movies so I found it boring, and then it just got plain depressing when they showed all the poor people and children waiting for death in their rooms as the water entered the ship.

As to the diamond thing: I always thought she threw it into the ocean because she did not want to be famous. Because their love was a private thing and she didn't want to share it.

It wasn't their fault because the ship would have hit it anyway. That is what happened in history so even if Jack and Rose weren't standing there kissing, they still would have hit the ice berg.

Now the scientist are blaming the disaster on the moon because it pulled the ice berg into their path. But whose fault was it really? Bruce Ismay for wanting to speed up the boat to make it to New York City a day early so he can make his headlines? Captain Smith's fault for ignoring all the ice berg warnings? The White Star Line for not having enough life boats and for not giving the look out men binoculars? The captain Smith's fault for telling his crew woman and children first and it got taken literal by his crew? The crew's fault for using the wrong colored fireworks when they were sinking so it made the other ship think they were celebrating and having a party? The macaroni man's fault for telling the Californian to shut up and the man there turned everything off and went to bed?


There are so many blames for this disaster and more people could have lived if they filled all the life boats up to its capacity and if the order wasn't taken so literal. I think IMO it could have been prevented and it was a hard lesson they all learned so new laws came out after it happened like there must be enough lifeboats for everyone, people must be available 24/7 for getting messages and warnings, ice bergs must be patrolled to warn other ships.

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Yet Rose rebelled in the movie and I liked that about her. She wanted to be herself and not conform to the custom and she was unhappy about it when she be forced. Women had to wear hats then and she refused, women were not allowed to smoke and she did, she wanted her own freedom and not live like a rich girl. Even back then men treated their women like children, they even ordered food for them and decided for them what they were having. If they were pregnant, they had to be housebound once they started showing. Pregnancy was also a taboo topic then so no one discussed it and the word for it was "delicate condition." I am sure back then mothers chose partners for their daughters and Rose was unhappy about that too so she cheated on Cal. People argue about that being right or wrong and saying it was no excuse and she should have broke it off and then go to Jack. But he was abusive so it didn't matter IMO and the Hockley fans say he only got that way because he was hurt by Rose and I think yeah but if he wasn't abusive, he wouldn't have slapped her and even if she didn't cheat on him, something else would cause him to slap her and if he is capable of slapping her and then shooting at her, who knows what else he be doing to her when he gets upset so Rose made the right choice by leaving him and Jack had to help her with that. That is what she probably means that he saved her and I use to think she meant saved her from dying. No he saved her because he made her realize there were options and she can get out and she lived her own life after the shop sank after she basically faked her death having her mother and her ex fiance believe she went down with the ship.

On a somewhat unrelated note; I have a problem with the two Titanic animated movies, if one has not heard of them.

Nope, no issue with it. I thought it was a bit ret*d that they didn't both try to float on the door, as it seemed to be rather large, but it all was for dramatic effect, as was, tossing the big blue diamond to the floor of the ocean.

I really liked the end, though. I think it would be pretty f*cking awesome after we die to meet up with all your family and friends over the years at a big party. Something like that would make me unbelievably happy.

Did you know that the real reason the Titanic was found was because the US lost a nuclear sub nearby and while they were searching for it, they just came across it? That led to James Cameron being involved in sending subs down to record it, and later on, him, creating the movie.

One final thing: I do have a fundamental problem with the whole "women and children first" thing. While I do believe childrens' lives hold more value in such a scenario, women's do not. A person is a person. Just because someone has a vagina does not me that she has any more right to a life than I do. In fact, it never had anything to do with that, initially. The HMS Birkenhead hit ground two miles off of Cape Town in 1852, a navy ship with 600+ men, 7 women and 13 children. And, at the time, pretty much all non-navy people could not swim. So, obviously, putting them all on one boat made logical sense, and the men stood a fighting chance, regardless (even though half of them were eaten by sharks). And, that with Victorian values, made the word, the norm, and it stuck, ever since.

That is nothing even close to the scenario of having all the women and a handful of men (with half full lifeboats) survive 60 years later on the Titanic. That's something I had a huge problem with!

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Even Kate Winslet hates that song. She can't stand hearing it. In 6th grade, almost everyone in the talent show sang that song.

Haha, I actually used to love that song when I was a kid. Never saw the movie, but I heard the song on the radio and I thought it was the most romantic thing ever. Now that I'm an adult I find it to be nauseating.

I haven't seen the movie in years. I thought it was a good movie, but way overrated. I mean, wasn't it in the theater for 8 months?