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28 Jul 2010, 2:13 pm

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my personal preference is for the Penguin; he's my all time favorite Bat villain.

That said....I think the best casting decision in the world would be Matt Frewer as the Riddler.

Hear me out on this:

I know a lot of people think Johnny Depp would be great for the role, but my problem with this is that Johnny Depp is what I refer to as a "failsafe" actor; basically, he's the actor you get when there's really no one else you can put in the role. Hell, throw a fat suit on him, you got the Penguin; that simple.

Thing is...I don't want someone who'd be "great for the role"; I want someone who's gonna nail the role. Heath Ledger spoiled us with the Joker, and he played it to a T( in fact, if you saw Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus, he for all intents and purposes pretty much showed he just keeps playing the Joker after the Dark Knight...proving it was the one role he learned to really make an impact with...yet little else).

Well, the last guy to play the Riddler was Jim Carrey, and to be frank I think he did a very good job emulating Frank Gorshin. Now, a lot of people say that Jim Carrey ripped off a lot of his routine from Matt Frewer's "Max Headroom".

So...picture Matt Frewer doing a Max Headroom-style routine, but a lot darker. Tell me that right there wouldn't be the perfect Riddler.


No it wouldn't. Jim Carrey was the absolute worst Riddler we have ever got on screen. The Riddler is not a hyperactive buffoon he is a cold, calculating sociopath. So nobody that would be similar to Jim Carrey or Frank Gorshin should play Edward Nygma.


have you ever actually watched a Max Headroom routine? I suggest you do...then you'd understand what I'm talking about.

And no....Riddler hasn't always been some cold, calculating sociopath; check out even his earlier appearances in comics....and then again in the '60s; that was the Riddler Jim Carrey played.


The Silver Age comics are no Longer Canon, Why don't you go read the Hush Storyline to realize how the real Riddler is. The Silver Age was largely hated by true Comic Fans because the FCC got involved and started censoring comics and making guidelines on what you could have regarding violence and evil. Villains like The Joker and The Riddler got the worst of that completely destroying their characters. Luckily they completely destroyed that universe which is why everything is all good now.


I know how the Riddler really is; once again, check out a Max Headroom routine on Youtube. I think a really dark version of that would be the perfect Riddler.



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28 Jul 2010, 8:55 pm

I love the 60s TV series, have the complete set on DVD, but it's a completely different interpretation to the Christopher Nolan films.

I say, let them make their own minds up as to who should be the next villain; they've done a pretty good job so far.



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28 Jul 2010, 11:04 pm

@EnglishInvader: agreed



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29 Jul 2010, 12:17 am

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I love the 60s TV series, have the complete set on DVD, but it's a completely different interpretation to the Christopher Nolan films.

I say, let them make their own minds up as to who should be the next villain; they've done a pretty good job so far.


I'm gonna say it yet again: I know the Riddler as he is now is nothing like how he originally appeared in the comics, or even how he was in the '60s TV show; I'm just saying Jim Carrey did a really good job portraying that.

I'm also saying that I think Matt Frewer would totally knock a modern Riddler out of the ballpark.

The guy looks like David Hyde Pierce, and I could easily see him pulling off a Max-Headroom style guise for the Riddler, and I could see it working really really well.

I'm sure they'll pick a great choice regardless, but I'm just sayin'........



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29 Jul 2010, 1:32 am

I'd definitely like to see two villains this time like Riddler and Penguin. I mean next to Joker they're the two biggest Batman villains. I just hope we don't end up seeing a new Mr. Freeze anytime soon as Ahnold pretty much ruined the character for me



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29 Jul 2010, 2:38 am

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I'd definitely like to see two villains this time like Riddler and Penguin. I mean next to Joker they're the two biggest Batman villains. I just hope we don't end up seeing a new Mr. Freeze anytime soon as Ahnold pretty much ruined the character for me


Nolan has already confirmed Mr. Freeze will not be in the final chapter.



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29 Jul 2010, 8:44 am

i'm really excited for part 3. after all the bad sequels of sequels, and sequels that been good, but not as good as the original and/or second, toy story 3 proved to me that it is possible.



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29 Jul 2010, 2:00 pm

bnorval1 wrote:
I'd definitely like to see two villains this time like Riddler and Penguin. I mean next to Joker they're the two biggest Batman villains. I just hope we don't end up seeing a new Mr. Freeze anytime soon as Ahnold pretty much ruined the character for me


Agreed.

Here's another idea for Riddler: Michael Keaton, who was Batman/Bruce Wayne in
Batman and Batman Returns

I'm OK with, if he is actually cast, Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Riddler


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29 Jul 2010, 2:10 pm

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Here's another idea for Riddler: Michael Keaton, who was Batman/Bruce Wayne in Batman and Batman Returns


Michael Keaton is too well recognised from the Tim Burton films to be taken seriously in another Batman role. He is quite capable of playing weird, creepy characters, though; Beetlejuice and Pacific Heights spring to mind.



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29 Jul 2010, 2:14 pm

my ex-friend said keaton was going to reprise the role of batman in the nolan films. it doesn't say that anywhere. i hate it when people talk out of their a$$. especially stupid people



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29 Jul 2010, 2:23 pm

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my ex-friend said keaton was going to reprise the role of batman in the nolan films. it doesn't say that anywhere. i hate it when people talk out of their a$$. especially stupid people


Michael Keaton is just over a year away from his 60th birthday, which is about the same age Adam West was when Keaton played Batman.. hope that puts things into perspective for your friend :lol:.



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30 Jul 2010, 2:37 pm

Reasons why for a Michael Keaton as Riddler:

1.} He's already had experience in a Batman movie

2.} Like someone else said, Michael Keaton
is very capable of playing creepy characters.
Riddler would be a ball for him.

3.} As Ken in Toy Story 3, he was an absolute hoot

Sam Rockwell as Riddler, perhaps?


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30 Jul 2010, 5:14 pm

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Reasons why for a Michael Keaton as Riddler:

1.} He's already had experience in a Batman movie

2.} Like someone else said, Michael Keaton
is very capable of playing creepy characters.
Riddler would be a ball for him.

3.} As Ken in Toy Story 3, he was an absolute hoot

Sam Rockwell as Riddler, perhaps?


The problem is that when he appears on screen everyone will see Bruce Wayne/Batman from the Goth films; the audience just won't be able to take him seriously as a villain because of his previous.

Even if Nolan was mad enough to offer Keaton the job, Keaton would not be mad enough to take it. It would pretty much finish his career.



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30 Jul 2010, 6:45 pm

michael keaton as riddler. no. nolan wants NOTHING to do with the burton movies



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31 Jul 2010, 2:21 pm

Sam Rockwell as Riddler, perhaps?


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