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06 Jan 2011, 2:43 pm

Found this thought it would be of interest to Doctor Who fans

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In 1967, the BBC set about junking its Doctor Who archive: a moment sci-fi fans wish they could travel back in time to prevent. There are 108 vintage episodes missing, but since 1978 a number have been rediscovered as 16mm black-and-white films. The BBC shot many of these series in colour, but made monochrome copies for countries such as Australia, where many TV companies were still broadcasting in greyscale. The reels had sat in archives since. Now, the Doctor Who Restoration Team, an independent group contracted by the BBC, is using a new technique to regenerate The Doctor in colour.

Their method is a refined version of that trialled on the 2009 Planet of the Daleks rerelease; it is now being deployed on a seven-part 1970 Jon Pertwee adventure, The Ambassadors of Death. "It seemed almost impossible," says Steve Roberts, 45, the team's supervisor and a BBC senior engineer. "But when they made the black-and-white recordings, they didn't filter off the colour carrier [encoded as a 'chroma dot' pattern in each frame], which for the last few decades has been nothing more than an annoyance." Team member Richard Russell used the signal to reverse-engineer raw colour pictures that could be retouched frame by frame. "It's very, very labour intensive -- several hundred man hours' work every episode," says Roberts. Luckily, a new "quadrant editor" is helping them to produce better source material upfront, so they hope to deliver the Ambassadors episodes to the BBC within weeks.

Roberts got into this work through Who fandom -- but has it ruined the show for him? "Yeah... We were always fans. We used to pull these stories out to watch just for enjoyment. Now I'm like, 'I'll watch something else.'"


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06 Jan 2011, 3:32 pm

Would be good if they where doing that with the first two Doctors.
Jon Pertwee though!, thats when Dr Who became silly, with his circus clowns car and that stupid robot dog thing, we all stopped watching it then.



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06 Jan 2011, 6:22 pm

Titangeek wrote:
Found this thought it would be of interest to Doctor Who fans

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In 1967, the BBC set about junking its Doctor Who archive: a moment sci-fi fans wish they could travel back in time to prevent. There are 108 vintage episodes missing, but since 1978 a number have been rediscovered as 16mm black-and-white films. The BBC shot many of these series in colour, but made monochrome copies for countries such as Australia, where many TV companies were still broadcasting in greyscale. The reels had sat in archives since. Now, the Doctor Who Restoration Team, an independent group contracted by the BBC, is using a new technique to regenerate The Doctor in colour.

Their method is a refined version of that trialled on the 2009 Planet of the Daleks rerelease; it is now being deployed on a seven-part 1970 Jon Pertwee adventure, The Ambassadors of Death. "It seemed almost impossible," says Steve Roberts, 45, the team's supervisor and a BBC senior engineer. "But when they made the black-and-white recordings, they didn't filter off the colour carrier [encoded as a 'chroma dot' pattern in each frame], which for the last few decades has been nothing more than an annoyance." Team member Richard Russell used the signal to reverse-engineer raw colour pictures that could be retouched frame by frame. "It's very, very labour intensive -- several hundred man hours' work every episode," says Roberts. Luckily, a new "quadrant editor" is helping them to produce better source material upfront, so they hope to deliver the Ambassadors episodes to the BBC within weeks.

Roberts got into this work through Who fandom -- but has it ruined the show for him? "Yeah... We were always fans. We used to pull these stories out to watch just for enjoyment. Now I'm like, 'I'll watch something else.'"


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I read about that on the Doctor Who News Page. It's great to hear that they are doing The Ambassadors of Death in full colour. Now, here's hoping that they will be able to do all of The Mind of Evil...

Ah, I found a doco on YouTube. Not on Doctor Who, but on Dad's Army, but it is the same process.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjK-b4x9ZmQ[/youtube]

Oh, and Nambo? They simply could not do it with the first two Doctor's stories. The reason why this works is because it is a black and white film recording of a colour story. They have a very good documentary on the DVD for Planet of the Daleks explaining how they managed to restore the colour. For other stories (like some of the episodes of Ambassadors, along with Doctor Who and the Silurians, Terror of the Autons, and The Daemons), they have off-air colour videotape from the US, which they synchronise with the black and white film recording.

They mention what is involved in this documentary:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VShMxc5TVyw[/youtube]


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07 Jan 2011, 1:51 pm

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Oh, and Nambo? They simply could not do it with the first two Doctor's stories. The reason why this works is because it is a black and white film recording of a colour story. They have a very good documentary on the DVD for Planet of the Daleks explaining how they managed to restore the colour.


Actually, I like the early episodes in Black and White, gives them a sense of errie atmosphere.
When we used to watch these back in the 60s, television wasnt anything like as clear as it is now, most programmes envolved somebody moving the ariel around to try and get a better picture, even then it was like looking through a net curtain.
Thing is, like reading a book, your imagination filled in the details, the cheap and dodgy sets the BBC used, didnt look at all bad, because you couldnt see the details, so you assummed as a child, they where really filming on some alien planet.



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07 Jan 2011, 6:04 pm

Nambo wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Oh, and Nambo? They simply could not do it with the first two Doctor's stories. The reason why this works is because it is a black and white film recording of a colour story. They have a very good documentary on the DVD for Planet of the Daleks explaining how they managed to restore the colour.


Actually, I like the early episodes in Black and White, gives them a sense of errie atmosphere.
When we used to watch these back in the 60s, television wasnt anything like as clear as it is now, most programmes envolved somebody moving the ariel around to try and get a better picture, even then it was like looking through a net curtain.
Thing is, like reading a book, your imagination filled in the details, the cheap and dodgy sets the BBC used, didnt look at all bad, because you couldnt see the details, so you assummed as a child, they where really filming on some alien planet.


Whereas nowadays, thanks to film restoration, you can see every join on the surface. :)


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08 Jan 2011, 8:03 am

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Jon Pertwee though!, thats when Dr Who became silly, with his circus clowns car and that stupid robot dog thing, we all stopped watching it then.


You're referring to K9? Jon Pertwee had left by that point. K9's first appearance was in "The Invisible Enemy", some way into Tom Baker's run.

Sorry, but Doctor Who + Aspergers...



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08 Jan 2011, 4:59 pm

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Jon Pertwee though!, thats when Dr Who became silly, with his circus clowns car and that stupid robot dog thing, we all stopped watching it then.


You're referring to K9? Jon Pertwee had left by that point. K9's first appearance was in "The Invisible Enemy", some way into Tom Baker's run.

Sorry, but Doctor Who + Aspergers...


Ah yes, guess it got sillier as time went by, like I said, I had stopped watching it by then.

Same thing happened with Lost in Space, a brilliant space adventure with some clever story lines, by the third series it had degenerated into a total farce.
Its a shame there are more simple people in the world than intelligent ones, the television companies have to go with the ratings, so everything gets dumbed down for the masses.
I love Joss Wealdon, but both his most excellant "Firefly", which is about the best TV Ive ever seen, and "Dollhouse" have both been cancelled prematurely, because they wernt pulling in the ratings.
Yet look how popular mindless rubbish like the X-Factor does!



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08 Jan 2011, 5:02 pm

Nambo wrote:
Thom_Fuleri wrote:
Nambo wrote:
Jon Pertwee though!, thats when Dr Who became silly, with his circus clowns car and that stupid robot dog thing, we all stopped watching it then.


You're referring to K9? Jon Pertwee had left by that point. K9's first appearance was in "The Invisible Enemy", some way into Tom Baker's run.

Sorry, but Doctor Who + Aspergers...


Ah yes, guess it got sillier as time went by, like I said, I had stopped watching it by then.

Same thing happened with Lost in Space, a brilliant space adventure with some clever story lines, by the third series it had degenerated into a total farce.
Its a shame there are more simple people in the world than intelligent ones, the television companies have to go with the ratings, so everything gets dumbed down for the masses.
I love Joss Wealdon, but both his most excellant "Firefly", which is about the best TV Ive ever seen, and "Dollhouse" have both been cancelled prematurely, because they wernt pulling in the ratings.
Yet look how popular mindless rubbish like the X-Factor does!


Yes, Firefly did go before it's time.


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08 Jan 2011, 5:42 pm

Titangeek wrote:
Nambo wrote:
Thom_Fuleri wrote:
Nambo wrote:
Jon Pertwee though!, thats when Dr Who became silly, with his circus clowns car and that stupid robot dog thing, we all stopped watching it then.


You're referring to K9? Jon Pertwee had left by that point. K9's first appearance was in "The Invisible Enemy", some way into Tom Baker's run.

Sorry, but Doctor Who + Aspergers...


Ah yes, guess it got sillier as time went by, like I said, I had stopped watching it by then.

Same thing happened with Lost in Space, a brilliant space adventure with some clever story lines, by the third series it had degenerated into a total farce.
Its a shame there are more simple people in the world than intelligent ones, the television companies have to go with the ratings, so everything gets dumbed down for the masses.
I love Joss Wealdon, but both his most excellant "Firefly", which is about the best TV Ive ever seen, and "Dollhouse" have both been cancelled prematurely, because they wernt pulling in the ratings.
Yet look how popular mindless rubbish like the X-Factor does!


Yes, Firefly did go before it's time.


That is true, but it is also true that Firefly was done before, and better in some respects, as Blake's 7.


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08 Jan 2011, 5:52 pm

Quatermass wrote:
Titangeek wrote:
Nambo wrote:
Thom_Fuleri wrote:
Nambo wrote:
Jon Pertwee though!, thats when Dr Who became silly, with his circus clowns car and that stupid robot dog thing, we all stopped watching it then.


You're referring to K9? Jon Pertwee had left by that point. K9's first appearance was in "The Invisible Enemy", some way into Tom Baker's run.

Sorry, but Doctor Who + Aspergers...


Ah yes, guess it got sillier as time went by, like I said, I had stopped watching it by then.

Same thing happened with Lost in Space, a brilliant space adventure with some clever story lines, by the third series it had degenerated into a total farce.
Its a shame there are more simple people in the world than intelligent ones, the television companies have to go with the ratings, so everything gets dumbed down for the masses.
I love Joss Wealdon, but both his most excellant "Firefly", which is about the best TV Ive ever seen, and "Dollhouse" have both been cancelled prematurely, because they wernt pulling in the ratings.
Yet look how popular mindless rubbish like the X-Factor does!


Yes, Firefly did go before it's time.


That is true, but it is also true that Firefly was done before, and better in some respects, as Blake's 7.


It is my understanding the Blakes 7 was a Space Opera, whereas Firefly was a Space Western, the too genres are quite different.


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08 Jan 2011, 5:53 pm

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That is true, but it is also true that Firefly was done before, and better in some respects, as Blake's 7.


Despite the cheap backdrops to Blakes 7, I did very much enjoy it, but in my opinion doesnt hold a candle to Firefly, as seen in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Joss Wealdon has a way of building up gradually a background story that only becomes more evident in later episodes, I love the way he does this, and the depth it gives a programme.
The character played by Summer Glau , (isnt she the most beautifull thing ever seen!, see her here:- SUMMER GLAU), was developing into something amazing, a shame the plug was pulled before Joss's nuildup reached fruition.



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18 Jan 2011, 10:09 pm

Nambo wrote:
Would be good if they where doing that with the first two Doctors.
Jon Pertwee though!, thats when Dr Who became silly, with his circus clowns car and that stupid robot dog thing, we all stopped watching it then.


Although I like a lot of the 1970's stuff (and not just Leela) that went out, 60's Who' will always be best...

Nothing beats the sight of Zoe in her cat suit...

Goodbye till next time



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19 Jan 2011, 9:31 am

Nambo wrote:
Thom_Fuleri wrote:
Nambo wrote:
Jon Pertwee though!, thats when Dr Who became silly, with his circus clowns car and that stupid robot dog thing, we all stopped watching it then.


You're referring to K9? Jon Pertwee had left by that point. K9's first appearance was in "The Invisible Enemy", some way into Tom Baker's run.

Sorry, but Doctor Who + Aspergers...


Ah yes, guess it got sillier as time went by, like I said, I had stopped watching it by then.

Same thing happened with Lost in Space, a brilliant space adventure with some clever story lines, by the third series it had degenerated into a total farce.
Its a shame there are more simple people in the world than intelligent ones, the television companies have to go with the ratings, so everything gets dumbed down for the masses.
I love Joss Wealdon, but both his most excellant "Firefly", which is about the best TV Ive ever seen, and "Dollhouse" have both been cancelled prematurely, because they wernt pulling in the ratings.
Yet look how popular mindless rubbish like the X-Factor does!


It's spelled "Whedon", not "Wealdon."


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19 Jan 2011, 7:07 pm

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It is my understanding the Blakes 7 was a Space Opera, whereas Firefly was a Space Western, the too genres are quite different.


True, but the cast and crew of Blake's 7 have often stated that they were strongly inspired by Westerns.


BTW, The Ambassadors of Death seems to be scheduled for release at the end of the year, in a double pack with The Sunmakers (they're calling it The Solar System). I found a release schedule published on the Doctor Who News Page, and here it is (I dunno what the release dates are, exactly, only that this follows on after they release The Mara Tales, I think, which has Kinda and Snakedance, or the second Revisitations set):

*Planet of the Spiders

*Mannequin Mania (Spearhead from Space revised special edition and Terror of the Autons)

*Frontios

*Earthstory (The Awakening and The Gunfighters)

*Paradise Towers

*Revisitations 3 (Tomb of the Cybermen, The Three Doctors, and The Robots of Death)

*The Solar System (The Ambassadors of Death and The Sun Makers)

*Day of the Daleks


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19 Jan 2011, 7:42 pm

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Titangeek wrote:
It is my understanding the Blakes 7 was a Space Opera, whereas Firefly was a Space Western, the too genres are quite different.


True, but the cast and crew of Blake's 7 have often stated that they were strongly inspired by Westerns.



There is a deference between being inspired by something and being modeled after it.


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