Would Roy Rogers + Spacecraft = Firefly 2?

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16 Jul 2011, 3:21 am

I know Firefly has all the Tambu-style reversal of the good "villains" versus the evil "heroes" (yes I know the Aspirin was trying to go for not having either heroes or villains in his book and that was his entire point) with the (essentially) quasi-pirate confederate rebel crew of the Serenity being at odds with the (Defense) Alliance. However, if you had, say, a Roy Rogers type show with spacecraft added in, wouldn't it be much like Firefly - at least in it's combination of space opera and western if nothing else?



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16 Jul 2011, 3:35 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I know Firefly has all the Tambu-style reversal of the good "villains" versus the evil "heroes" (yes I know the Aspirin was trying to go for not having either heroes or villains in his book and that was his entire point) with the (essentially) quasi-pirate confederate rebel crew of the Serenity being at odds with the (Defense) Alliance. However, if you had, say, a Roy Rogers type show with spacecraft added in, wouldn't it be much like Firefly - at least in it's combination of space opera and western if nothing else?


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16 Jul 2011, 3:37 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I know Firefly has all the Tambu-style reversal of the good "villains" versus the evil "heroes" (yes I know the Aspirin was trying to go for not having either heroes or villains in his book and that was his entire point) with the (essentially) quasi-pirate confederate rebel crew of the Serenity being at odds with the (Defense) Alliance. However, if you had, say, a Roy Rogers type show with spacecraft added in, wouldn't it be much like Firefly - at least in it's combination of space opera and western if nothing else?


Reavers still give me nightmares.


Never watch Quarantine then.



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16 Jul 2011, 4:45 am

Is that the one where they go onto their ship , I had forgotten that, and now I'm rminded of it. Thank you, not. :)



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16 Jul 2011, 5:40 am

Look, if you want to see how else a Western science fiction series focusing on a motley crew of lawbreakers can be done, go watch the British series Blake's 7.


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16 Jul 2011, 5:48 am

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Look, if you want to see how else a Western science fiction series focusing on a motley crew of lawbreakers can be done, go watch the British series Blake's 7.


A British Western? I'll see about watching it, but I'm just imagining some sort of invasion of Ireland with bows and arrows, instead of fighting against Spaniards, gunslinging, digging for gold in California, pioneer life, etc.

I'd rather see a sci-fi western hybrid that focuses on the good guys as heroes, like a sheriff such as Roy Rogers or otherwise.



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16 Jul 2011, 5:55 am

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Is that the one where they go onto their ship , I had forgotten that, and now I'm rminded of it. Thank you, not. :)


Nope, that's probably Event Horizon. Quarantine is about an building under quarantine by the Center for Disease Control. Inside there has been an infection spreading of a modified rabies virus.



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16 Jul 2011, 5:57 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Look, if you want to see how else a Western science fiction series focusing on a motley crew of lawbreakers can be done, go watch the British series Blake's 7.


A British Western? I'll see about watching it, but I'm just imagining some sort of invasion of Ireland with bows and arrows, instead of fighting against Spaniards, gunslinging, digging for gold in California, pioneer life, etc.

I'd rather see a sci-fi western hybrid that focuses on the good guys as heroes, like a sheriff such as Roy Rogers or otherwise.


Ugh, look, the only British Westerns is the Doctor Who story The Gunfighters, and the Red Dwarf episode Gunmen of the Apocalypse. I am talking about a Firefly-like series (but far more morally ambiguous).

And I didn't know who the hell Roy Rogers was.

Anyway, a couple of trailers for Blake's 7. The latter is done far more in a sort of melodramatic style suitable for a Western. Bit of warning though, a bit of strobing on the first trailer.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHPCAGMCts[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEOZ18Vzd3c[/youtube]

And just for giggles, I'll also include a trailer that includes The Gunfighters. Let the bad faux-American acting commence! :P

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1k0IKxVoY[/youtube]


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16 Jul 2011, 6:19 am

Blakes 7 was awesome in its time. I can't belive it never go an international audience. I think it was more Robin Hood
than Western, unless Robin Hood is proto-western stroytelling?



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16 Jul 2011, 6:22 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
memesplice wrote:
Is that the one where they go onto their ship , I had forgotten that, and now I'm rminded of it. Thank you, not. :)


Nope, that's probably Event Horizon. Quarantine is about an building under quarantine by the Center for Disease Control. Inside there has been an infection spreading of a modified rabies virus.


I don't remember thta one, maybe I missed it. You sure you are not thinking 28days later in space? Its not the one where these agents had sonic weapons that killed people and made their ears bleed is it?

Question- Do you find vulcans more attractive than humans?



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16 Jul 2011, 6:27 am

UFO (Anderson) was totally boring and on TV on a totally boring sunday at meal time and I really think the noise the UFO's made is the most boring noise ever and I can still rememebr it now . That wasn't a western.

That was a random blurt about boring a SciFi seies.



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16 Jul 2011, 8:25 am

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Blakes 7 was awesome in its time. I can't belive it never go an international audience. I think it was more Robin Hood
than Western, unless Robin Hood is proto-western stroytelling?


I guess so, as Robin Hood was kinda about vigilante justice, one of the defining traits of the Wild West...


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17 Jul 2011, 7:12 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
memesplice wrote:
Is that the one where they go onto their ship , I had forgotten that, and now I'm rminded of it. Thank you, not. :)


Nope, that's probably Event Horizon. Quarantine is about an building under quarantine by the Center for Disease Control. Inside there has been an infection spreading of a modified rabies virus.


I don't remember thta one, maybe I missed it. You sure you are not thinking 28days later in space? Its not the one where these agents had sonic weapons that killed people and made their ears bleed is it?


Nope, it's with zombies produced by an intentionally modified rabies virus set in an apartment building which becomes quarantined.

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Question- Do you find vulcans more attractive than humans?


What? Vulcans are played by humans firstly, and no, aside from T'pol, they aren't that particularly attractive physically. I see you're into some sort of Star Trek fixation, based on your other posts, so as for who is physically attractive it would not go by the invented races there but by individual actresses in my opinion. TOS - Uhura. TNG - Deanna Troi. DS9 - Jadzia Dax, Ezri Dax. VOY - Seven, Torres. ENT - Hoshi, T'Pol.



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17 Jul 2011, 7:15 am

Quatermass wrote:
memesplice wrote:
Blakes 7 was awesome in its time. I can't belive it never go an international audience. I think it was more Robin Hood
than Western, unless Robin Hood is proto-western stroytelling?


I guess so, as Robin Hood was kinda about vigilante justice, one of the defining traits of the Wild West...


More defining would be the state of lawlessness which prompted vigilante justice as opposed to a vacuum of justice or (as today, often) a corruption of justice.



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17 Jul 2011, 8:47 am

Robin's crew were called "outlaws", which I guess has a resonance with the history and mythology of the American West . I'm not sure about this, but I have studied fuedal society, abit. The impression I got was there was a whole caste of families and individuals who were outside they system. Sherwood Forrest was massive ( green desert) and I think many outsiders chose to make what living they could. There was a Nottingham Castle, and Sherrif who was trying to raise taxes for Crusades and whatever else the ruling group wanted cash for. The outsiders refused to pay tax because they got nothing back. Robin's crew, if they ever existed, claimed thye were recovering taxes for the outsiders living in the woods when holding up the Sherriffs coaches and journeymen in the woods. The 'evil' sherriff sent in bounty hunters/soldiers to capture Robin and his gang.

This reads very much like the plot of a number of western stories and films.

I don't think it was a particularly lawless time, because of the influence of the church. Those rejected by this system- lived in the wooods, outlawed from society, or if slightly odd and female, were treated as witches. To be threatened by being defined a witch or an outlaw was a powerful means of theocratic contol. So ,on the one hand you had a feudal system incorporating those who worked hard and lived short brutal lives labouring under the delusion they would get their reward in heaven, and those who didn't fall for this illusory carrot on a stick story and had the full sanction of osctracism applied to them.
But they still had to pay taxes, which was the sticking point.

So maybe this is one proto-Western mythology ?