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09 Jul 2012, 3:01 pm

I have suddenly become obsessed with the film/story Carrie by Stephen King. Ive read the book but have only seen the 1976 Brian De Palma film, not the more modern remake.

For anyone who has seen it, or knows the story, I have a question. I find myself feeling a lot of sympathy for Carrie: she is picked on by her peers and has no friends. However she has a pretty cool gift.

The film rather cleverly made it ambigous until almost near the end about whether Carries date to the prom, and his girlfriend, were or were not involved in the plot to blood her.

Anyway after you realize this and see that only a small number of people were 'in the know' about it I find myself wondering why I still sympathise with Carrie at the end. Because she has killed virtually everyone at the prom for this act of humiliation. I ask myself shouldn't I really sympathise with the dead?

And did those involved in the plot really deserve to die? Surely Carrie would have been ruthless in killing just them, never mind everyone.

In the book it is worse because Carrie goes on to kill most of the town.

Is it just Stephen King being clever and making us sympathise with someone who reacted so ruthlessly to a horrible prank?



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09 Jul 2012, 3:24 pm

No, they didn't deserve to die, but this is Hollywood: No blood, no movie.



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10 Jul 2012, 5:19 pm

I've never read the book, but I have seen the movie. As I recall, when the bucket of pig blood was dumped on Carrie and William Katt, virtually everyone at the prom laughed at her. No, they didn't deserve to die, but all that rage she had pent up from all the bullying and humiliation she had lived through for her whole life was released by means of her psychic power at her tormentors. And in her dissociative state at that moment, her tormentors included Everyone laughing at her.
Back when I was in junior high and high school, and I took a lot of s**t, the people I felt angered at were not just my tormentors, but also those who just stood by and laughed at "the ret*d."

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10 Jul 2012, 7:58 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
I've never read the book, but I have seen the movie. As I recall, when the bucket of pig blood was dumped on Carrie and William Katt, virtually everyone at the prom laughed at her. No, they didn't deserve to die, but all that rage she had pent up from all the bullying and humiliation she had lived through for her whole life was released by means of her psychic power at her tormentors. And in her dissociative state at that moment, her tormentors included Everyone laughing at her.
Back when I was in junior high and high school, and I took a lot of sh**, the people I felt angered at were not just my tormentors, but also those who just stood by and laughed at "the ret*d."

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Actually, only a few people were really laughing: The idea that everyone was laughing at her was her imagination. As for the question of whether they all deserved to die, I would say no. However, she was pushed too far and ended up using them to a much further extent than what she should have not only in the number of people she used it on but also how she used it (killing people as opposed to "dealing with" them in some other way).

That said, I very much enjoyed the film even with the ending.


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10 Jul 2012, 8:22 pm

I wouldn't really look to a guy who created Randall Flagg and Cujo for stories with uplifting morals. Although The Stand did have a good vs evil theme, but Cujo was pointless carnage.

Just enjoy the story and be glad that none of that's real. ;-)


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10 Jul 2012, 9:12 pm

Now I have a deeper understanding of SHED.MOV.


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10 Jul 2012, 10:12 pm

Haha Sweet Revenge and anger!

Well, I haven't ever read the book but I've seen the movies lots of times. I always thought her powers started without her being able to control them when she got mad. Almost like an evil twin living inside of her that she couldn't control.



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11 Jul 2012, 10:40 am

Great movie! I think the point of Kings work is to make people feel squirmy. :oops:



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11 Jul 2012, 12:37 pm

I think Stephen King was showing us we are all capable of being monsters and doing horrible things.
If we had such powers what would restrain our anger? We normally think about revenge but usually contain it
but what if just thinking about made it happen what then? :D



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13 Jul 2012, 9:11 pm

The killing scene was an awesome scene, and wether they did deserve to die, I don't know but it was a pleasurable thing to watch, the 2002 movie's killing scene was pretty cool.



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14 Jul 2012, 2:25 pm

Logically, we all know that most of Carrie' classmates didn't deserve to die (except those sociopaths Chris and Billy), but, because this movie taps into our own adolescent insecurities as well as resurface painful memories of high school, we probably can't help but root for Carrie as she's killing everyone.

That said, I don't really think Stephen King intended for it to be a moral. All he probably wanted to do was write a thriller involving an abused girl with destructive powers.


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14 Jul 2012, 2:33 pm

I don't even think Chris should have died. Carrie could have just embarrased her back in loads of ways. Like made her shorts fall off in the middle of the field in front of the school, or made her trip up when she is out with her friends feeling all 'grown up and gorgeous'.



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14 Jul 2012, 2:47 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
I don't even think Chris should have died. Carrie could have just embarrased her back in loads of ways. Like made her shorts fall off in the middle of the field in front of the school, or made her trip up when she is out with her friends feeling all 'grown up and gorgeous'.


That's little more than a simple schoolyard prank. Chris was an antisocial sadist. The b***h deserved nothing less than what she'd ever done to some of her classmates.


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14 Jul 2012, 2:57 pm

Descartes wrote:
Logically, we all know that most of Carrie' classmates didn't deserve to die (except those sociopaths Chris and Billy), but, because this movie taps into our own adolescent insecurities as well as resurface painful memories of high school, we probably can't help but root for Carrie as she's killing everyone.

That said, I don't really think Stephen King intended for it to be a moral. All he probably wanted to do was write a thriller involving an abused girl with destructive powers.

This movie is puberty the film


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14 Jul 2012, 3:02 pm

Robdemanc wrote:
I don't even think Chris should have died. Carrie could have just embarrased her back in loads of ways. Like made her shorts fall off in the middle of the field in front of the school, or made her trip up when she is out with her friends feeling all 'grown up and gorgeous'.


Stephen King had said years ago that Carrie White was based on a real girl he had taught in a high school English class. She had come from a very poor family, was very socially withdrawn, and was mercilessly bullied by her classmates. Years later, she had committed suicide.

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14 Jul 2012, 3:03 pm

I think something like that is comparable to a hurricane or natural disaster. Partly because I think Carrie was not in a normal conscious state while all her power unleashed itself like a wild animal.

I think Firestarter was similar in that is was a power difficult to shutdown.

It might be like asking if Bruce Banner is morally responsible for anything The Hulk does.