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24 Sep 2012, 7:40 am

So I watched few episodes last night for the first time. I'm not too sure about mediums. Anyone can get your personal info on who died and how. There was this one episode that questioned it. A woman's baby passed and supposedly her spirit communicated with the medium. HOW can a baby talk? The baby was only a month old. The medium can simply look at obit and know about your loved one's death. I don't know. Then again at times even law enforcement use psychics to try and solve crimes and it has helped. What is your opinions on psychics, mediums, etc?


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24 Sep 2012, 10:19 am

There is no valid empirical evidence to support any claim for the existence of mediums, psychics, or any other paranormal abilities.

Any scientific test ever devised to validate psychic ability has revealed that any claims in support of mediums, psychics, or any other paranormal abilities are based solely on selective memory, wishful thinking, subjective experience, and outright trickery.

Anyone who wants to try to prove me wrong is invited to take James Randi's "One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge".


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24 Sep 2012, 12:16 pm

Some people always tried to prove or refute those things with scientific methods, which is surely an improper approach because science is great only for matter and the physical realm. However, when it comes to things like feelings or ideas, science is completely useless.

Some channelers said they are receiving blocks of information and simply translate the content into words, so -- sure, Babies can't talk, but dead people can't talk, either.

I wouldn't waste so much time and energy with searching for a proof since there are many things we don't understand, for instance dreaming. Nobody can actually tell what dreams are good for, but everybody knows they exist.

There's a danger and if you look at the stupid lies people like Napoleon Hill, Rhonda Byrne, Esther Hicks and the like are selling, i wish someone would put an end to it. Never trust someone who does it for money.

On the other hand, i do believe that there is an inherent, although dormant ability in man to use the supernatural. Australian Aborigines, for example, were able to draw very precise maps in bird's--eye view several hundreds of years before airplanes were invented and there is absolutely no scientific explanation for this fact.



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24 Sep 2012, 12:44 pm

PTSmorrow wrote:
Some people always tried to prove or refute those things with scientific methods, which is surely an improper approach because science is great only for matter and the physical realm. However, when it comes to things like feelings or ideas, science is completely useless.

Science is also great for measuring the effects of immaterial forces; so if telekinesis is real, scientific methods can be used to measure how far an object of known mass is moved by telekinesis (always zero distance). If precognition, telepathy or, speaking with the dead are real, then scientific methods can be used to determine the accuracy of these methods (never statistically above random chance). If faith healing is real, then scientific methods can be used to determine the efficacy of faith-based cures (never above zero).

So while the alleged "psychic forces" may be immeasurable, any real effect of those alleged forces should be measurable, and this is where so-called "psychics" fail; they can not produce their claimed effects under observation by impartial witnesses -- not just scientists, but stage magicians, psychologists, lawyers, physicians, police, construction workers, actors and comedians, and at least one electrical engineer (me).

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I wouldn't waste so much time and energy with searching for a proof since there are many things we don't understand, for instance dreaming. Nobody can actually tell what dreams are good for, but everybody knows they exist.

If what you say is true, then any "psychic" interpretation of dreams is also invalid.

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There's a danger and if you look at the stupid lies people like Napoleon Hill, Rhonda Byrne, Esther Hicks and the like are selling, i wish someone would put an end to it. Never trust someone who does it for money.

Sylvia Browne, Benny Hinn, and several others, as well.

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On the other hand, i do believe that there is an inherent, although dormant ability in man to use the supernatural. Australian Aborigines, for example, were able to draw very precise maps in bird's--eye view several hundreds of years before airplanes were invented and there is absolutely no scientific explanation for this fact.

Yes, there is. "Aerial Landscape Art" can easily be created from knowing how many steps to a distant object, and which direction to take to get there. For example, my third-grade class was given the assignment of mapping out a local park, using this method. Some used compass bearings (radial distancing), some used X-Y gridding (cartesian pacing), and some used pure guesswork -- all three methods yielded similar results.

In fact, both Columbus and the Lewis & Clark expeditions created some amazingly accurate maps with aerial perspectives from simply measuring compass bearings and counting paces (or days of travel). One does not even need a magnetic compass -- methods of celestial navigation have been recorded since the Bronze Age. So, to say that aboriginal people were incapable of using these simple methods is racism.

Aerial Landscape Art is easy; any third-grader can do it.


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24 Sep 2012, 1:18 pm

I'm in a hurry now so i make it short -- Fnord, faith healing is always real, because you also need faith in order to believe in chemotherapy or surgery if it's about more than a band aid thing like appendectomy. Even if you take a simple drug as aspirin, you do it for the simple fact that you believe it is going to help you, and that's all. If you make an appointment with any health care pro, you do so because you believe in it!

The biggest part of our lives is non-material, and all we can possible measure is brain activity, but this doesn't say anything about the content of a thought.

However, i leave it there ... some people are just so narrow--minded that they practically need to exclude even the possibility of more than matter (no offense meant, just saying.) What i said about feelings and ideas ... one might be able to measure results, but there's a thing called belief, and if you would tell somebody (like a gf/bf) that you love them, i hope they're gonna ask for a proof lol.

As for the Aborigines, this was about areas they couldn't reach.



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24 Sep 2012, 1:59 pm

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I'm in a hurry now so i make it short -- Fnord, faith healing is always real, because you also need faith in order to believe in chemotherapy or surgery if it's about more than a band aid thing like appendectomy.

No, faith is not needed for chemotherapy or surgery to work.

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Even if you take a simple drug as aspirin, you do it for the simple fact that you believe it is going to help you, and that's all.

No, belief is not needed for medicine to work.

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If you make an appointment with any health care pro, you do so because you believe in it!

No, belief is not needed for an appropriately-trained and licensed medical care professional to help me get well.

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The biggest part of our lives is non-material, and all we can possible measure is brain activity, but this doesn't say anything about the content of a thought.

Mind-reading computers already exist -- they can translate neural impulses into desired actions. Prosthetic devices controlled by neural impulses are in development, and thought-controlled game-controllers have already been demonstrated.

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However, i leave it there ... some people are just so narrow--minded that they practically need to exclude even the possibility of more than matter (no offense meant, just saying.) What i said about feelings and ideas ... one might be able to measure results, but there's a thing called belief

Belief proves nothing. Belief is not needed to achieve desired results. It's the surgeon's knowledge and skills, it's the chemical reactions of medications, it's determinate actions that cause desired results, and not belief.

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... and if you would tell somebody (like a gf/bf) that you love them, i hope they're gonna ask for a proof lol.

It happens all of the time -- try proposing marriage without presenting an engagement ring, or letting an anniversary slip by without giving a gift. People will demand proof of love, which is one reason why Valentine's Day is such a commercial victory for florists, jewelers, and greeting-card manufacturers.

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As for the Aborigines, this was about areas they couldn't reach.

Where is your proof of that?

"Keep an open mind; but not so open that your brain falls out" -- Richard Feynman (1918-1988), noted physicist.


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