Non Origin Superhero Movies (PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS TOPIC)

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Usually the first or only superhero movie in a series is an origin such as Superman, Man of Steel, Spider-Man, The Amazing Spider-Man, Batman Begins, Iron Man, Captain America: The First Avenger, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange and more but there are some that aren't like Batman (1989), Blade, X-Men, The Incredible Hulk, Dredd and we're also getting Spider-Man: Homecoming and Black Panther but there are some other films I can think of that I can't decide if they are origin stories or not and I need clarification.

The first Thor movie for example does have Thor go to Earth for the first time, meet Jane Foster and learn to become less arrogant. But before that when he was on Asgard he already was a warrior and has his hammer and powers and is said to be in many battles. So I'm thinking this doesn't count as an origin? Watchmojo didn't add this film to their Top 10 Superhero Origin Movies not even an honorable mention.

The Avengers I'm not sure counts as an origin story because even though we see these heroes meet for the first time they have already had their own movies prior. Watchmojo didn't add it to their list.

Hellboy at the beginning showed us how Hellboy came to be with Professor Broom and it wasn't just a short little scene but it did happen before the film's title showed up. After that many years passed by and the BPRD has been around for a long time and Hellboy is their top agent. Even other stuff has happened off screen like Liz Sherman leaving and already having a history with Hellboy. So Origin story? probably not but I need to make sure. Again Watchmojo didn't add it.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990) I'm sure counts as an origin story mostly because Watchmojo did add it to its honorable mentions list and at the beginning the movie says that their fight with those punks who tried to rob April O'Neil was their first battle so I guess that counts?

I can't think of anymore though if you can please let me know and please let me know if these movies are considered Origins or not.

Please does anyone have an opinion.

Won't somebody please answer me? Don't ask me why but It's kinda important

What exactly are you asking?

Do you want us to name a superhero who didn't get his/her own "origin story" movie?

Or are you looking for a series in which the first/only movie was not an origin movie? Or what?

I haven't seen any of these movies so giving you my opinion likely won't help you much.

I can tell you that Thor wouldn't have a regular Superhero Origin Movie though. He's not an ordinary human who becomes a superhero like Spider Man, or an alien who comes to earth from another planet like Superman.

Thor is a Norse God. Mythology was a special interest of mine when I was young, and I was fortunate enough that my highschool actually offered an English course for credit on Mythology. We studied not only Greek and Roman mythology but also Norse and then "modern mythology," by which was meant Sci-Fi and futuristic tales like Z for Zecheriah.

So I know a little bit about Thor, and I would say that the first Thor movie is not an Origins movie. He would already have been thousands of years old, a veteran of many battles and he had his powers from the beginning. He's a god. Even moreso than Hercules; Hercules has an origin, as he was born of a Greek god and a human woman. Same with many other Greek and Roman heroes. But Thor was from the beginning, in Asgard with Odin and the other gods. They don't have an origin any more than the Christian God does--He was from the beginning, is now and ever shall be.

The Greek and Roman gods, now--most of them have their origin in the story of Gaia and Chronos (Earth and Time). Chronos is the son of Chaos; he marries Gaia and has children by her, but swallows them lest they usurp his role as ruler of the universe. But Zeus, the youngest breaks out and frees the others, primarily Hades and Poseidon, and they divvy up creation between them: the Sky to Zeus, the Sea to Poseidon and the Underworld to Hades.

So if there was a movie made about Zeus defeating Chronos and becoming the ruler of Olympus, that would be an Origins Story. Clash of the Titans is an origins story, because it shows the birth of Perseus and how he becomes a hero. But Thor--he doesn't have parents, as far as I can remember, and doesn't become a hero. He just is. He's a god.

naturalplastic asked

What I'm basically asking is that while the first movie in a superhero series is usually an origin story e.g. Batman Begins some are not e.g. Batman (1989) and Watchmojo did a list of Top 10 Superhero Origin Movies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ61de4aPXg
and seeing as how these movies weren't included on the list. Thor, The Avengers and Hellboy. Are they non Superhero origin movies? I mean in Thor we see how he came to Earth and be learn to be less arrogant, but before that he still had his Hammer and powers. He already was an Asgardian hero. The Avengers may have shown us how Iron Man, Captain America, Thor and the Hulk came together but they had their own films prior. Guardians of the Galaxy didn't and it was included on WM's Top 10 list. The beginning of Hellboy showed us how he came to earth and it wasn't a short flashback like when Jack Napier (The Joker) shot Bruce Wayne's parents or when Blade was born, but after the title card years passed and he was already the BPRD's top agent. So I'm asking do you all think they are non origin stories? WM didn't include them not even an Honourable Mention.

I guess an easier question would be can you name any non origin superhero movies that aren't sequels, are based on a comic book and are theatricals

Contrary to the popular use of the term, I myself do not necessarily consider every superhero movie that showcases the beginnings of that superhero or team, an 'origin story'. Take, for example, Spider-Man. To me, the definition of an origin story would be a story where the main character is introduced, acquires their powers or abilities, and ends with them accepting their identity as a new hero. I would consider neither Spider-Man (2002) nor The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) origin stories per se. In either of these movies, Peter Parker adopts and accepts the role of Spider-Man fairly early on, and can be considered a full-blown, if fledgling, superhero by the time he has his final confrontations with the Green Goblin and the Lizard respectively. A TRUE origin story would be the Spider-Man segment in Amazing Fantasy #15 (1962), which introduces Spider-Man in comic. Peter Parker is introduced, acquires the spider powers through the radioactive spider bite, but is then shown choosing to be a celebrity wrestler who uses his abilities for selfish reasons, until the very burglar he lets escape ends up killing his uncle. It is only at the end of the story that he adopts the role of hero for the sake of the protection of the innocent. It is only then that he truly becomes Spider-Man, and the tale of his origin is complete. In both first installments of the first two Spider-Man movie series, whilst there is an arc of coming of age, the audience is assumed to be somewhat familiar with Spider-Man, and is introduced to his heroic side fairly early on. Both films could stand alone without any sequels being produced and still be fine superhero films. Spider-Man's origin is an element of both films, but in the end it is not the pivot around which either film centers.