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TheMidnightJudge
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04 Aug 2007, 5:23 pm

What do you guys think of Michael Moore's Sicko?
For those of you who don't know, it's a documentary on the American health care system. I highly recommend it.
To me, it basically proved America's health care system is terrible, and in most other places it is free. What I thought was sorely lacking in that movie was this: what can I do? Should I move to Canada? He should have got more into how we, as a people can change it. I've already decided I'm going to petition, so a senator's secretary can read it, right a responce to pretend our government cares about us, and then discard it. I only hope others join me, for then it can't be ignored.



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04 Aug 2007, 6:10 pm

That would be kind of cool if all Americans who can't afford health care moved to Canada. Count me in on the petition.



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04 Aug 2007, 6:12 pm

I have seen this documentary on the American health care system at a theatre near my home.
I also highly recommend it. I was certainly everything there is to know about how health care works! They didn't leave out anything!
I certainly hope that Mr. Moore will tell us what to do now that we know the truth about America and The rest of the world. I always try to get my information from only one source because it solves all that need to think about it for myself. It's so tiresome to not just follow blindly. I also think we should band together and show our displeasure by getting petitions signed and then taking them to the government to get fair treatment for health care. Will there be cookies when we present the petitions to the secretaries? and kisses? I always want kisses when I am being scr*wed. . .



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04 Aug 2007, 7:43 pm

Now that you've seen Michael Moore's "documentary" I would seriously recommend that you speak tp someone from Canada or Ireland or anywhere where there is national health care. Ask them what their experiences have been.

Ask them how long they, or people they have known, have had to wait for necessary procedures because of the red tape of a government0run system.

I'm not saying to believe me or anyone else.

I'm suggesting that you ask people you know.

Then decide if you want what they have.



04 Aug 2007, 8:34 pm

After I watched it and thought about it, what I understand about the American health care system is they care more about making money than restoring the health of the american public.



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04 Aug 2007, 9:09 pm

Not to be argumentative, but look at the people hwo live along the Canadian border. Americans on the border cross over to buy drugs. They are much cheaper in Canada.

Canadians on the border cross over to the US to go to the doctor. Medical care is much better in America.

But, again, don't take my word for it. Ask anyone who has come to the US from Canada or Ireland what their experiences are.

Now, don't get me wrong. The fact that there are a large number of people in this country who do not have health insurance, cannot afford health care, and have too much income for government insurance is a real problem. But, there must be some way of addressing it that does not take a system that generally is the finest in the world and dismantles it.



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04 Aug 2007, 9:24 pm

Litguy wrote:
Not to be argumentative, but look at the people hwo live along the Canadian border. Americans on the border cross over to buy drugs. They are much cheaper in Canada.

Canadians on the border cross over to the US to go to the doctor. Medical care is much better in America.

But, again, don't take my word for it. Ask anyone who has come to the US from Canada or Ireland what their experiences are.

Now, don't get me wrong. The fact that there are a large number of people in this country who do not have health insurance, cannot afford health care, and have too much income for government insurance is a real problem. But, there must be some way of addressing it that does not take a system that generally is the finest in the world and dismantles it.


how is that measured, Litguy? how is that health care system measured at a 'generally finest'? Is that bigger than 'absolutely the finest?' or perhaps smaller than 'positively finest?'.
is there more specifics you can give us than 'generally finest?'



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04 Aug 2007, 10:25 pm

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[how is that measured, Litguy? how is that health care system measured at a 'generally finest'? Is that bigger than 'absolutely the finest?' or perhaps smaller than 'positively finest?'.
is there more specifics you can give us than 'generally finest?'
By far, the best health care delivered to the broadest population of people in the most effective and necessary fashion.

Like I've said a couple of times, ask any adult who has come to the United States as an adult from a democratic, industrial nation with nationalized health care (Canada is the example brought up by the OP here. Ireland would be another good example.) which system they would rather have. Then you will have your facts.



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04 Aug 2007, 10:40 pm

Universal Health care is a worthy topic for discussion, but Michael Moore and his films are not. They do nothing to educate the audience on the issue at hand, and are not a credible source of information upon which to base an impression.

And nothing is "free". Canadians pay twices the taxes Americans do on a lot of things. You pay for healthcare whether you use it or not under socialized medicine.


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04 Aug 2007, 10:44 pm

Litguy wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
[how is that measured, Litguy? how is that health care system measured at a 'generally finest'? Is that bigger than 'absolutely the finest?' or perhaps smaller than 'positively finest?'.
is there more specifics you can give us than 'generally finest?'
By far, the best health care delivered to the broadest population of people in the most effective and necessary fashion.

Like I've said a couple of times, ask any adult who has come to the United States as an adult from a democratic, industrial nation with nationalized health care (Canada is the example brought up by the OP here. Ireland would be another good example.) which system they would rather have. Then you will have your facts.


So you actually can't quantify your remarks. You have nothing besides your opinion and the supposed opinions of others that are not here to attest to your claims.
that doesn't further your arguement to tell me to go and do your research for your, and only have 'the facts' when I go to such and such and do so and so. . .

you build straw men to defend your positions, not actual facts.



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04 Aug 2007, 10:59 pm

Well we generally have the best system for a number of reasons. We have the best doctors in the world, we attract the best doctors, and always have. We have the most advanced equipment, and more of it per person. There are eight times more magnetic-resonance-imaging units (the latest improvement on X-rays), seven times more radiation-therapy units (used in the treatment of cancer), about six times more lithoptripsy units (used for nonsurgical removal of kidney stones), and about three times more open-heart surgery units and cardiac-catheterization units per capita in the United States than in Canada. We have much shorter wait times. And we have a decent safety net that covers a lot disadvantaged people.


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04 Aug 2007, 11:13 pm

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Well we generally have the best system for a number of reasons. We have the best doctors in the world, we attract the best doctors, and always have. We have the most advanced equipment, and more of it per person. There are eight times more magnetic-resonance-imaging units (the latest improvement on X-rays), seven times more radiation-therapy units (used in the treatment of cancer), about six times more lithoptripsy units (used for nonsurgical removal of kidney stones), and about three times more open-heart surgery units and cardiac-catheterization units per capita in the United States than in Canada. We have much shorter wait times. And we have a decent safety net that covers a lot disadvantaged people.



do you have health insurance, Wiggerbeater? Are you adequately covered and your family? Do you have access to this state of the art equipment and able to pay for doctors and procedures and room and board when you need long term care?



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04 Aug 2007, 11:25 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
Well we generally have the best system for a number of reasons. We have the best doctors in the world, we attract the best doctors, and always have. We have the most advanced equipment, and more of it per person. There are eight times more magnetic-resonance-imaging units (the latest improvement on X-rays), seven times more radiation-therapy units (used in the treatment of cancer), about six times more lithoptripsy units (used for nonsurgical removal of kidney stones), and about three times more open-heart surgery units and cardiac-catheterization units per capita in the United States than in Canada. We have much shorter wait times. And we have a decent safety net that covers a lot disadvantaged people.



do you have health insurance, Wiggerbeater? Are you adequately covered and your family? Do you have access to this state of the art equipment and able to pay for doctors and procedures and room and board when you need long term care?


Yes, I have a NY medicaid card. It pays for everything. All my prescriptions. I have probably $250 worth of prescriptions a month, that I only pay $3 for out of pocket combined. It covers therapy, dental, eye...just about everything really. I get 2 physicals a year, completely free. I never pay anything at the doctor's, and like I said, $3 a month for prescriptions. I have had everything from an EKG to a throat sonogram done at different hospitals and medical facilities, all free. Gotten pairs of glass and eye exams, had teeth pulled, cleaned, and filled; go to a shrink weekly. All free. And I'm in and out real quick of these places. Great service. I cant complain at all.


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05 Aug 2007, 12:39 am

wiggerbeater wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
Well we generally have the best system for a number of reasons. We have the best doctors in the world, we attract the best doctors, and always have. We have the most advanced equipment, and more of it per person. There are eight times more magnetic-resonance-imaging units (the latest improvement on X-rays), seven times more radiation-therapy units (used in the treatment of cancer), about six times more lithoptripsy units (used for nonsurgical removal of kidney stones), and about three times more open-heart surgery units and cardiac-catheterization units per capita in the United States than in Canada. We have much shorter wait times. And we have a decent safety net that covers a lot disadvantaged people.



do you have health insurance, Wiggerbeater? Are you adequately covered and your family? Do you have access to this state of the art equipment and able to pay for doctors and procedures and room and board when you need long term care?


Yes, I have a NY medicaid card. It pays for everything. All my prescriptions. I have probably $250 worth of prescriptions a month, that I only pay $3 for out of pocket combined. It covers therapy, dental, eye...just about everything really. I get 2 physicals a year, completely free. I never pay anything at the doctor's, and like I said, $3 a month for prescriptions. I have had everything from an EKG to a throat sonogram done at different hospitals and medical facilities, all free. Gotten pairs of glass and eye exams, had teeth pulled, cleaned, and filled; go to a shrink weekly. All free. And I'm in and out real quick of these places. Great service. I cant complain at all.


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05 Aug 2007, 1:46 am

sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
wiggerbeater wrote:
Well we generally have the best system for a number of reasons. We have the best doctors in the world, we attract the best doctors, and always have. We have the most advanced equipment, and more of it per person. There are eight times more magnetic-resonance-imaging units (the latest improvement on X-rays), seven times more radiation-therapy units (used in the treatment of cancer), about six times more lithoptripsy units (used for nonsurgical removal of kidney stones), and about three times more open-heart surgery units and cardiac-catheterization units per capita in the United States than in Canada. We have much shorter wait times. And we have a decent safety net that covers a lot disadvantaged people.



do you have health insurance, Wiggerbeater? Are you adequately covered and your family? Do you have access to this state of the art equipment and able to pay for doctors and procedures and room and board when you need long term care?


Yes, I have a NY medicaid card. It pays for everything. All my prescriptions. I have probably $250 worth of prescriptions a month, that I only pay $3 for out of pocket combined. It covers therapy, dental, eye...just about everything really. I get 2 physicals a year, completely free. I never pay anything at the doctor's, and like I said, $3 a month for prescriptions. I have had everything from an EKG to a throat sonogram done at different hospitals and medical facilities, all free. Gotten pairs of glass and eye exams, had teeth pulled, cleaned, and filled; go to a shrink weekly. All free. And I'm in and out real quick of these places. Great service. I cant complain at all.


when one is warm and cozy before their fire, one thinks all are warm and cozy.


lol. you jackass. Why even bother asking then? The government will pay for your healthcare if you cant afford it. Ive been through it first-hand. I was one of the uninsured, no health coverage at all. All you have to do is go down to your local social service office, and go through a 2 hour interview. Most people are too lazy or ignorant to do that. Almost all medical centers offer sliding fees now too.


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05 Aug 2007, 1:50 am

edit: double post :(


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