whats the controversy with Rachel Zegler?

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01 Apr 2025, 4:20 pm

What has she said/done that got her in so much trouble?



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01 Apr 2025, 4:29 pm

She's "woke" and openly supports a free Palestine.

https://www.distractify.com/p/why-do-pe ... hel-zegler


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01 Apr 2025, 4:52 pm

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well we cant have that :P



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01 Apr 2025, 4:59 pm

enz wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:


well we cant have that :P



Exactly.

Cancel culture is bad, also we need to cancel these woke celebrities for being too woke and hurting my feelings by saying truthful things I disagree with.


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01 Apr 2025, 6:12 pm

It started when she badmouthed the original Snow White for being heavily dated even though it's the beloved classic that made Disney what it is today.

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What she said: The original cartoon came out in 1937 and very evidently so. There's a big focus on her love story with a guy who literally stalks her. Weird! Weird. So we didn't do that this time. We have a different approach to what I'm sure a lot of people will assume is a love story just because we cast a guy in the movie, Andrew Burnap, great dude. [...] But it's really not about her love story at all, which is really, really wonderful. [...] All of Andrew's scenes could get cut, who knows? It's Hollywood, baby!

In response to her comments, many rebuked her for making Snow White "more feminist",[139] while others criticized her for misinterpreting feminism, with accusations of promoting the girlboss archetype or maligning women that seek traditional feminine roles or are uninterested in power or leadership. Ashten Stein, a brand strategist, felt that Zegler's statements made it appear that she had not received media training for marketing.[140][141] Ultimately, critics inferred and claimed that Zegler disliked the original film.[134][142] David Hand, whose father of the same name co-directed the original animated film, criticized the remake, describing it as "insulting" and suggesting that his father and Walt Disney would be "turning in their graves".


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01 Apr 2025, 6:21 pm

I think reducing her critique to "badmouthing" is oversimplifying it beyond recognition, but I can also understand how simpletons fall into that trap.


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01 Apr 2025, 6:36 pm

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It started when she badmouthed the original Snow White for being heavily dated even though it's the beloved classic that made Disney what it is today.

A grain of salt is required before reading.
From Wikipedia
What she said: The original cartoon came out in 1937 and very evidently so. There's a big focus on her love story with a guy who literally stalks her. Weird! Weird. So we didn't do that this time. We have a different approach to what I'm sure a lot of people will assume is a love story just because we cast a guy in the movie, Andrew Burnap, great dude. [...] But it's really not about her love story at all, which is really, really wonderful. [...] All of Andrew's scenes could get cut, who knows? It's Hollywood, baby!

In response to her comments, many rebuked her for making Snow White "more feminist",[139] while others criticized her for misinterpreting feminism, with accusations of promoting the girlboss archetype or maligning women that seek traditional feminine roles or are uninterested in power or leadership. Ashten Stein, a brand strategist, felt that Zegler's statements made it appear that she had not received media training for marketing.[140][141] Ultimately, critics inferred and claimed that Zegler disliked the original film.[134][142] David Hand, whose father of the same name co-directed the original animated film, criticized the remake, describing it as "insulting" and suggesting that his father and Walt Disney would be "turning in their graves".


jeez, she's entitled to her opinion

I wont be watching snow white and the 7 viewers. Not because of this but because its a bad movie.



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03 Apr 2025, 1:23 am

the right being the thought police, how the pendulum swings



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04 Apr 2025, 7:43 pm

So to answer the question, over the last 10 years, there's been politicisation of actors, writers, directors and producers by fans and critics and conversely politicisation of movies by actors, writers, directors and producers.

Zegler falls into the second category. She was hired by Disney because she is actually tremendously talented, funny and great performer and already has a good number of acting gigs/theatre productions under her belt. However, she chose to speak her mind on a number of issues including critique of the original Disney Snow white which she labelled as sexist. Right wingers weaponised her comments for their own purpose. Calling her ungrateful to her employer but then sneakily/stealthfully attacked her casting as being the wrong ethnicity as the original snow white story is German (some irony in that Zegler not only actually looks like the cartoon character but she has German ancestry :roll: ). So they have both accused Zegler as being woke and Disney being woke for hiring her.

She has since also taken aim at trump supporters and has got into a tiff with actress Gal Gadot over Israel. I don't agree with everything she says but if I am being honest, she's quirky and talented and for some reason I really like her. Given she has drawn the ire of the MAGA crowd is just a bonus.



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08 Apr 2025, 7:42 pm

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the right being the thought police, how the pendulum swings


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It's funny how people wish to reframe the movie's failure due to being a low effort remake of an classic and looking like AI slop and blame that on Zegler or wokeness or whatever.

Unless terrible remakes are inherently woke now, which would only help reinforce how meaningless woke is as a criticism of anything.


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08 Apr 2025, 7:51 pm

sure the movie bombed because it sucked but she got a lot of flack for her views



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08 Apr 2025, 8:01 pm

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sure the movie bombed because it sucked but she got a lot of flack for her views


I think the whole anti-woke grifter economy is dependent upon finding things to label as woke, freak out about and insist are going broke as a result of wokeness, rather than any of the other, more valid criticisms of that thing that are also being made.

Unrelated tangent: I'm not even sure it's Disney's fault that the movie looks like AI slop, because Disney, Pixar and similar are one of the main datasets used to train the AI models. It's more fair to say AI slop looks like it knocks off Disney, but the end result is the same, that style is everywhere and people get sick of it.


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08 Apr 2025, 8:09 pm

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Unrelated tangent: I'm not even sure it's Disney's fault that the movie looks like AI slop, because Disney, Pixar and similar are one of the main datasets used to train the AI models. It's more fair to say AI slop looks like it knocks off Disney, but the end result is the same, that style is everywhere and people get sick of it.




hard pass for me on that movie



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08 Apr 2025, 8:11 pm

enz wrote:
Aspiegaming wrote:
It started when she badmouthed the original Snow White for being heavily dated even though it's the beloved classic that made Disney what it is today.

A grain of salt is required before reading.
From Wikipedia
What she said: The original cartoon came out in 1937 and very evidently so. There's a big focus on her love story with a guy who literally stalks her. Weird! Weird. So we didn't do that this time. We have a different approach to what I'm sure a lot of people will assume is a love story just because we cast a guy in the movie, Andrew Burnap, great dude. [...] But it's really not about her love story at all, which is really, really wonderful. [...] All of Andrew's scenes could get cut, who knows? It's Hollywood, baby!

In response to her comments, many rebuked her for making Snow White "more feminist",[139] while others criticized her for misinterpreting feminism, with accusations of promoting the girlboss archetype or maligning women that seek traditional feminine roles or are uninterested in power or leadership. Ashten Stein, a brand strategist, felt that Zegler's statements made it appear that she had not received media training for marketing.[140][141] Ultimately, critics inferred and claimed that Zegler disliked the original film.[134][142] David Hand, whose father of the same name co-directed the original animated film, criticized the remake, describing it as "insulting" and suggesting that his father and Walt Disney would be "turning in their graves".


jeez, she's entitled to her opinion

I wont be watching snow white and the 7 viewers. Not because of this but because its a bad movie.

Not while promoting the movie. People can and have been fired like forever by saying offensive things on the clock part of her pay for the movie is the promo tour. The fact that she felt the need to mischaracterize a movie of such significance to Disney fans just makes it that much worse.



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08 Apr 2025, 8:12 pm

I'm with you when it comes to having no interest in seeing it.

I struggle to understand how so many middle-aged, single guys (the typical demographic antiwoke grifters fall into) are so emotionally invested in a movie aimed at preteen girls.

The ones who have kids, I feel bad for their kids.
The ones who don't, I just feel bad that this is who they grew up to be.


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08 Apr 2025, 8:15 pm

enz wrote:
sure the movie bombed because it sucked but she got a lot of flack for her views

She's a public figure doing a press tour and it wasn't like it was just one remark.

I do kind of respect the Palestinian comments, but she's in it with Gal Godot, so there probably was no right thing to do there.