Dark Tower series (BIG spoilers)
I just finished it last night and I have to talk about it. As in, I think I need to talk to a THERAPIST about it. AGH! That ending messed with me worse than the ending to "I am the Cheese." ((All hail Robert Cormier, king of the young adult mindf---.)) Now I'll feel guilty if I reread the series again, like I'm perpetuating that ending. AAGHHHH!! !! !! ((And I finished it right before going to sleep, too. It's a wonder I didn't have nightmares- I had fever dreams after reading I am the Cheese, but I was in fourth grade.))
Anyway, I kind of feel like King's self-insertion was kind of cringeworthy, and he didn't justify it as well as I'd hoped he would.
I also felt the ending for Susannah was kind of inadequate; I kind of think she died and went to some form of heaven, not actually wound up in an alternate reality. When you think about it, that ending is more satisfying, because then she would be with the actual souls of Jake and Eddie, as opposed to copies of them while some form of them was still dead and not with her. However King may have meant to have them kind of be twinners or something.
What did everyone else think? I'm still a huge King fan, and am glad I read the series, but I almost wish I'd stopped where he said "stop if you want a happy ending." ((Like anyone would! ))
Finally, someone who's slogged through the whole thing! It was killing me to not have anyone to discuss the series with.
OK, getting down to brass tacks. The ending sucked, full stop. King has always said that he doesn't create a story, he allows the story to "flow through" him. He only puts down what the story tells him to. That's a great way to write if you know how to keep it in check, and he does. But in this case, the story failed him. The fight at Blue Heaven was masterful, as most of his action scenes are, but the second half of the book is miserable and even -- dare I say it -- cliché?
Eddie's death was unexpected, emotional, and perfectly executed, as it should be. But that seemed to throw King into a bloodthirsty rampage resulting in every other main character's death or exile. Not only that, he tells us who's going to bite it, ruining any chance of surprise and making the reader not want to go any further. Who wants to read through 100 pages of Oy trudging along with Roland, with both of them knowing he will die? It's not even heartwrenching, only depressing. Characters are killed off not because the story demands it but because of some new rule that states only Roland can reach the Tower. What?
What's with building anticipation to the fight between Roland and Mordred for an entire book, only to have him killed off in two paragraphs? Why throw Roland back on the desert at the end of the book instead of, you know, ending it? To stick some English 101 circularity into it? Because he forgot his f*****g horn? Give me a break.
I thought King mentioning himself in at the end of Wolves of the Calla was clever and added a nice surreal touch, but I got increasingly worried the more he involved himself in the later books. By the time Roland, Eddie, and King are talking in King's kitchen, I was trying hard not to simply close the book. Bloated sense of self-importance or not, fiction is meant to immerse the reader in a story, and a move like that draws the reader out.
Wow, this is getting long and angry. There's more to cover, so maybe I'll post more later.
Wow, that must have been confusing as hell. Despite all my flaming, I'd recommend the series. Just start with Book 1 (The Gunslinger) and you'll get hooked.
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I finished the series about two months ago, and I have to admit the first three books were fantastic. Book four was kinda lame, when I read it back in 1997, but I from there on I pretty much figured the general direction that the series was headed.
It was an interesting read, but I felt that he could have done a better job of it overall. When I finished the book, I thought that the ending was a bit of a letdown, however, in retrospect, I don't think it could have ended any other way.
Also, I thought that the epilogue made up for the ending.
Wow, that must have been confusing as hell. Despite all my flaming, I'd recommend the series. Just start with Book 1 (The Gunslinger) and you'll get hooked.
Definitely. It's worth reading, even if the quality deteriorates, just to have actually READ it.
OK, getting down to brass tacks. The ending sucked, full stop. King has always said that he doesn't create a story, he allows the story to "flow through" him. He only puts down what the story tells him to. That's a great way to write if you know how to keep it in check, and he does. But in this case, the story failed him. The fight at Blue Heaven was masterful, as most of his action scenes are, but the second half of the book is miserable and even -- dare I say it -- cliché?
Eddie's death was unexpected, emotional, and perfectly executed, as it should be. But that seemed to throw King into a bloodthirsty rampage resulting in every other main character's death or exile. Not only that, he tells us who's going to bite it, ruining any chance of surprise and making the reader not want to go any further. Who wants to read through 100 pages of Oy trudging along with Roland, with both of them knowing he will die? It's not even heartwrenching, only depressing. Characters are killed off not because the story demands it but because of some new rule that states only Roland can reach the Tower. What?
What's with building anticipation to the fight between Roland and Mordred for an entire book, only to have him killed off in two paragraphs? Why throw Roland back on the desert at the end of the book instead of, you know, ending it? To stick some English 101 circularity into it? Because he forgot his f*** horn? Give me a break.
I thought King mentioning himself in at the end of Wolves of the Calla was clever and added a nice surreal touch, but I got increasingly worried the more he involved himself in the later books. By the time Roland, Eddie, and King are talking in King's kitchen, I was trying hard not to simply close the book. Bloated sense of self-importance or not, fiction is meant to immerse the reader in a story, and a move like that draws the reader out.
Wow, this is getting long and angry. There's more to cover, so maybe I'll post more later.
Are you otherwise a King fan? I feel almost disloyal to say I kind of wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm glad I got through the series, but I'm sorry about how the series turned out, not only in the actual sense of how the STORY turned out but how the art of it turned out as well.
It was an interesting read, but I felt that he could have done a better job of it overall. When I finished the book, I thought that the ending was a bit of a letdown, however, in retrospect, I don't think it could have ended any other way.
Also, I thought that the epilogue made up for the ending.
Where he excused making himself a major character in his own book by saying he was trying to show how art and life influence each other? ((Can you tell I really didn't buy that?))
Extra Note Here about DT Fan-Music
If you like both the DT and metal, Check this out! (click here) Scroll down to the album "touched by the crimson king." I still need to read/listen to all of it myself, and not all of it is DT-related, but thought I'd share even if I cannot yet give an opinion. ((I finished the dang SERIES, give me time to go through the album))
I was disappointed by the ending at first. i felt kind of cheated. but when i thought about it some more, i decided that i actually like it. it makes sense, and it is still a somewhat positive ending, even if it wasn't the 'happy ending' i was expecting. i would recommend these books to anyone who likes stephen king and/or large epic stories. i was in another world for every hour and day and month that I was reading them. also, i think roland is an aspie. i liked the fact that stephen king put himself into the story, but i agree that there was a lot of build up to the battle w/mordred, and it turned out kind of lame.
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I've been a King fan for most of my life. I think he's one of the best living fiction writers around, but he does make mistakes. Along with the Talisman, Black House, and From a Buick Eight, I think he had resorted to melodramatic heartstring-pulling by the end of DT7 far too much, cheapening the ending. But at least there'll always be the excellent bajillion pages leading up to that point in the series to read through again.

You didn't like the art in the Dark Tower books? I thought Michael Whelan's illustrations ruled...
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It was an interesting read, but I felt that he could have done a better job of it overall. When I finished the book, I thought that the ending was a bit of a letdown, however, in retrospect, I don't think it could have ended any other way.
Also, I thought that the epilogue made up for the ending.
Where he excused making himself a major character in his own book by saying he was trying to show how art and life influence each other? ((Can you tell I really didn't buy that?))
After book four, I had the distinct impression that King would show up in the series, but not exactly in the way that he did.
I did like the epilogue where Susanna is in the Alternate New York and meets up with the Nozz-o-la drinking E and J Toren.
I did like the epilogue where Susanna is in the Alternate New York and meets up with the Nozz-o-la drinking E and J Toren.
Oh, THAT one. I don't know what to make of it. It was nice to think about but it was so vague and contrived I kind of couldn't believe in it. I really think she died, that's all I can really "believe," and that that was heaven. Which I guess is nice but probably not the intent?
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