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08 Nov 2007, 9:34 pm

Who is/are your favorite Aspie Movie Stars ?



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08 Nov 2007, 11:24 pm

I theorize that Nicole Kidman is an aspie. A lot of folks around here just hate the "maybe he's an aspie!" game, but I don't mind it. I think it's interesting to think about. I don't like all of her work, necessarily, but I think she has a very special presence in interviews. Aspie or not, she seems like a very deep, multi-faceted individual.


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09 Nov 2007, 4:45 am

I wanted to start a discussion on this, but I wasn't sure it had been done already. I like to play this game with actors, musicians, writers and other famous people. One way I tell is by looking at their eyes in candid photos. Some suggestions:

Johnny Depp
Christian Bale
Marlon Brando (dude had an island and made almost no sense)
Robert DeNiro
Hugo Weaving
Daniel Day-Lewis
Jim Carrey (Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind is amazing)
Nicholas Cage
Adam Sandler (Punch Drunk Love is one of my all time favourites)
Kurt Russell (see: Soldier)
Mickey Rourke
Liam Neeson
Harvey Keitel
Bill Murray
Clint Eastwood
Will Ferrell
STEVE MARTIN
Jake Gyllenhaal

The ladies:

Charlize Theron
Nicole Kidman (good call, Gwenevyn! I have a massive crush on her, btw)
Amy Sedaris
Cate Blanchett
Judi Dench (I LOVE this woman, I don't know why. Very magnetic.)
Reese Witherspoon (okay, maybe just wishful thinking...)
Maggie Gyllenhall (Secretary is one of the most beautiful movies I have ever seen)


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09 Nov 2007, 7:30 pm

I would also like to offer the following:

Joaquin Phoenix
Robert Downey Jr
Keanu Reeves
Angelina Jolie
Tom Cruise
Orson Welles
Cary Grant
Peter Sellers
Katherine Hepburn
Greta Garbo
Joan Crawford
Bette Davis
Klaus Kenski
Gregory Peck
Lara Flynn Boyle
Sean Young
Daryl Hannah
Hilary Swank
Kevin Spacey
Russell Crowe
Renne Zellweger

That's all that I could think of at the moment. Kurtz: Your Theron idea is interesting, what about Charlize strikes you as Aspiesh ?



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09 Nov 2007, 11:55 pm

Snoopy wrote:
I would also like to offer the following:

Joaquin Phoenix
Robert Downey Jr
Keanu Reeves
Angelina Jolie
Tom Cruise
Orson Welles
Cary Grant
Peter Sellers
Katherine Hepburn
Greta Garbo
Joan Crawford
Bette Davis
Klaus Kenski
Gregory Peck
Lara Flynn Boyle
Sean Young
Daryl Hannah
Hilary Swank
Kevin Spacey
Russell Crowe
Renne Zellweger

That's all that I could think of at the moment. Kurtz: Your Theron idea is interesting, what about Charlize strikes you as Aspiesh ?


It's mostly a hunch, but for years I've been interested in watching any kind of interview-format show and trying to get into the person's head as a way of applying concepts I learned about by reading about psychology.

I saw an interview with her on Letterman, and there was just something about the way she spoke and held herself that twigged me. She had this real aura about her of being an ugly duckling, of not seeing herself the same way everyone else did. It was mostly her style of humour, though, a sarcastic, "cut-the-crap, you aren't fooling me" kind of style.

She's very smart, and seems a bit awkward in her speech sometimes, as if she's always mentally kicking herself for saying something stupid, like she gets embarrassed a lot.

Most of all it's that weird feeling that I know her, or have met her before that I tend to get with certain artists, whatever their medium.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osdUv7v6K6g[/youtube]

Check this video out, and you can see what I mean by the sense of humour, which is her way of saying, "eat me, you know-nothing, nuance-impaired jingoistic moron."


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10 Nov 2007, 1:20 am

One more suspect I wanted to add: Steve Coogan. I think Saxondale is one of the funniest things I have ever seen. He has this character nailed. If Coogan isn't, then Tommy Saxondale sure is!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E11epT9z1Eg&feature=PlayList&p=455D2FE32AE69AB4&index=3[/youtube]


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10 Nov 2007, 1:34 am

Would you expound on your De Niro and Christian Bale theroes ? Also, are suggesting Sandler as an Aspie from hiis performance in a movie role ?



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10 Nov 2007, 6:41 am

Snoopy wrote:
Would you expound on your De Niro and Christian Bale theroes ? Also, are suggesting Sandler as an Aspie from hiis performance in a movie role ?


First off, I don't say these things lightly. I have been training myself to dissect personalities as rapidly as possible for many years now, and once I understand how traits cluster, I'm pretty good at picking out the patterns from the noise. I have worked in high risk security jobs all of my adult life, and this skill I developed helps me pick out troublemakers from a crowd before a bunch of crazy crap goes down - some people are ringleaders, some are followers, and some people get stupid/brave under the right conditions, like drunkeness or being part of a crowd. One area where the "gaze" is helpful is if someone is being a loudmouth; just look at them, and don't try to scare them or intimidate them, just look with a neutral expression and locked on eye contact. Just like in horror movies where you only catch a glimpse of the monster and let your imagination fill in the blanks, or when you see patterns in stucco or clouds that look coherent, the target's mind will begin to work overtime, eventually turning on itself. Very effective - I've been able to control crowds of drunken violent Teamsters by basically doing nothing more than looking at who was being the most obnoxious.

Two from Sun Tzu:

* Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.

* The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities... It is best to win without fighting.

So, that should answer your questions about Christian Bale and...oh. Sorry. Back on topic:

Both Bale and DeNiro subsume themselves in their roles to such a total degree, and they have another thing in common - massive weight fluctuations solely for effect. It is like the role is more important than they are, that their perfectionism is of such a high degree that they couldn't conceive of doing anything else but, that their body is only a tool for expressing their art, like a painter chooses the right brush.

As for Sandler, yeah, Punch Drunk Love was amazing, but that's not what I'm going on. Again, I like to watch interviews like crazy, and the Biography Channel is good too. It is when you see these actors who are usually so animated and full of life in their movie roles contrasted with their deadpan, monotone, awkward and self-deprecating interviews that you realize something is up.

Check out this one with Bale on Kilborn (who is very shy and anti-social in real life) and watch his eye contact, forced speech, and even though he misspells a word, notice how he thinks it necessary to differentiate between "little c" and "big c":

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDPuzOq_tbA[/youtube]

Check out John Douglas's site for some great info on how to profile. He basically invented serial killer profiling, and I have learned a lot from his work.


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10 Nov 2007, 8:07 am

gwenevyn wrote:
I theorize that Nicole Kidman is an aspie. A lot of folks around here just hate the "maybe he's an aspie!" game, but I don't mind it. I think it's interesting to think about. I don't like all of her work, necessarily, but I think she has a very special presence in interviews. Aspie or not, she seems like a very deep, multi-faceted individual.


No i hate Nicole Kidman not she is amazing.



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11 Nov 2007, 3:01 am

9-9-2006 wrote:
gwenevyn wrote:
I theorize that Nicole Kidman is an aspie. A lot of folks around here just hate the "maybe he's an aspie!" game, but I don't mind it. I think it's interesting to think about. I don't like all of her work, necessarily, but I think she has a very special presence in interviews. Aspie or not, she seems like a very deep, multi-faceted individual.


No i hate Nicole Kidman not she is amazing.


Why?


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11 Nov 2007, 10:29 am

oh for f**k's sake, why do these banal and pointless threads continue to exist? NOBODY LISTED IN THIS THREAD HAS ASPERGERS. GET OVER IT YOU MORONS!



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11 Nov 2007, 2:38 pm

-Vorzac- wrote:
oh for f**k's sake, why do these banal and pointless threads continue to exist? NOBODY LISTED IN THIS THREAD HAS ASPERGERS. GET OVER IT YOU MORONS!


Go away, little man. If you don't like the topic, DON'T READ IT. What, all the sudden everyone just has to hop to and make sure we don't discuss anything you don't approve of?

I think Snoopy and Gwenyvyn had some pretty good insights and arguments. All you've done is spew abuse. If you have a valid reason why you think they are not on the autistic spectrum, then out with it. If not, shut your head. I will not stand for you insulting me or anyone else for talking about our interests.


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11 Nov 2007, 3:41 pm

-Vorzac- wrote:
oh for f**k's sake, why do these banal and pointless threads continue to exist? NOBODY LISTED IN THIS THREAD HAS ASPERGERS. GET OVER IT YOU MORONS!

Oh please.

We wouldn't say anything if we didn't suspect. As a matter of fact, Dan Akroyd has said something about AS in an interview (can't find it now) and he himself suspecting he has it.


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11 Nov 2007, 3:42 pm

you want to know why they're not aspies? because they have no symtoms. It's nothing but pointless wishful thinking. 'wow I really like celebrity X, s/he must have Aspergers' flawed logic. please explain to me why people with AS are more qualified than a doctor with a PhD to diagnose someone with their own illness? I doubt anybody knows anything about psychology or owns a copy of the DSM-IV. What sort of interest is faux-daignosis? it's a pointless self-fullfillment excersise that only Aspies do. All you people are doing is deluding yourself into thinking you have something in common with someone you admire, when you don't. that's the harsh reality of it.
If you want to know who has aspergers, go onto wikipedia and read the 'people diagnosed/suspected to be on the autistic spectrum' and you'll find the only celebrity with AS is Gary Numan. That's IT.



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11 Nov 2007, 3:52 pm

-Vorzac- wrote:
I doubt anybody knows anything about psychology

Excuse me?

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or owns a copy of the DSM-IV.
Don't need one when I can read it on the internet.


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11 Nov 2007, 4:19 pm

I don't normally think about things like this.

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