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Oid
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26 Jul 2010, 6:30 am

A few years ago, I first learned about Asperger's syndrome, and thought to myself "wow, some of that really fits, that is odd." I took the test over at Wired, and laughed about how high the score was with my wife, and brother. I went on with my life.

Sure, I am quirky, but something related to Autism? No way, not me. I am "normal" dangit! Everyone has nights where they need 3 plates so their food won't touch sometimes...... I just don't make eye contact because I am shy.... And on, and on, and on.....

Then I quit smoking.... again... I very quickly remembered why I like smoking, I can not breathe. I can't get enough air, it feels like I am suffocating. It is not an asthma attack, as I have passed it off as for years, but.... something else. So I discussed it with my wife, because she saw me freaking out trying to get a full breath in.... I told her about it, and talked it out, and put words to what was happening, and then decided to research it.

Anxiety? Anxiety is making me feel like I am suffocating?! What is this nonsense. Sure, my job is high stress, and I do get angry a lot..... But anxiety 24/7? What could cause this...

As I searched, Asperger's kept popping up, so expecting another chuckle I decided to do some reading. Like a switch it clicked....

That said... Who cares? Does it change me in any way? Nope. I am no more of a "freak" than I was a month ago. In fact, if anything, it has helped. Now when I am in the living room at 2am and realize I am talking to myself, I don't start calling myself a f'ing idiot, and tell myself to stop it... I just laugh and smile. Instead of wondering why my food touching is such a big deal, I just accept it.

There are still things I would like to change, but I think that is pretty normal for anyone... AS, NT, or otherwise... I'd like to learn to deal with the anxiety that is left. To deal with change a little bit better. To not get so over whelmed, or angry that all I can do is scream, or hit something, or headbutt something. (My hands, walls, and furniture are eager for that one as well.) There are a few things I would like to fake better.... Enthusiasm, excitement at a gift....

Overall though? I am doing pretty dang good. I am 30 years old now, and I can fake being "normal' well enough to get through almost any social situation, at least now I don't wonder if I am a psychopath for having to fake so much though......

I am only self-diagnosed... Which leads to one question: Is it worth it to seek out a formal diagnosis? My understanding is that there is no actual treatment, so it would just be validation.....

Anyways, I am sure I have bored you all enough.... I am glad to have found WP, and thank you for having me.



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26 Jul 2010, 6:33 am

Good to see you here. I'm sure you're as normal as the next guy, Here.



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26 Jul 2010, 7:28 am

Welcome!



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26 Jul 2010, 7:41 am

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26 Jul 2010, 10:52 am

Hi Oid and welcome!

I am in a similar position, I was sure through quizzes and someone I know who teaches autistic kids that I had asperger's syndrome. I wanted a formal diagnosis just because I live near an autism research center and I wanted to participate in studies - so they could learn how to make future generations more like me.

They don't give you a cool badge or membership card or secret handshake or anything, so I'm not sure the diagnosis was worth it - it was kind of fun though. I'm not sure how rigorous the whole thing was...



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26 Jul 2010, 11:45 am

Welcome to Wrong Planet!


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26 Jul 2010, 11:48 am

Welcome to the forum, remember this, there is nothing wrong with you, us Aspies are just another species of human being. Just like NT's are. Remember, no one is unafflicted, most NT's are worse off then we are.



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26 Jul 2010, 1:12 pm

Oid wrote:
I am only self-diagnosed... Which leads to one question: Is it worth it to seek out a formal diagnosis? My understanding is that there is no actual treatment, so it would just be validation....


Perhaps only for validation now. Things can change.

I spent three decades locked in a pattern of working for a year and a half, then getting fired and living on unemployment for 6-8 months while recuperating from the stress, then going back out into the world and doing it again. And I was only able to do that because I excelled in one specific career. Anytime I took another type of job, the stress would overwhelm me in a matter of weeks.

It was only after my career had dried up and I'd been unemployed for a couple of years that I even heard of AS and had that 'Oh my gods! Somebody's been reading my diary!' epiphany. Even so, I tried to believe, as many do in the beginning stages of acceptance, that MY case of AS must only be a 'mild' one. After all, I seemed normal to everyone around me...right?

Bottom line, a couple more years go by, unemployed or underemployed - I can't even keep a part-time independent contractor job without my quirks, handicaps and emotional meltdowns getting me fired, and my boss is five states away - finally, through a series of coincidences, I see a therapist for depression, tell her I think I might have AS, after observation she agrees and offers to have me tested and evaluated by a psychologist. Finally, at the age of 50, Uncle Sam determines that I qualify for Disability just in time to keep me from becoming homeless.

As I study the disorder in depth, in order to understand just how it affects me, I have two major realizations:

1) I was never 'passing for normal' as well as I thought I was - the people around me have known for years that I was not like them. They've even discussed it at length when I was not in the room. I was repeatedly fired not because my bosses were@ssh*les (though several of them were), but because I could never conform to the neurotypical template and behave like the rest of the drones. Thinking and operating 'outside the box' is a positive thing only in theory, in real life it makes you a freak.

2) The effects of AS on my life were never remotely 'mild' - there is no such thing as 'mild' Asperger's Disorder. Autism is congential, which means you have it from birth. From the moment you pop out into this world, you see, experience and perceive the world differently than the people around you. Those skewed perceptions and experiences cause you to think and behave differently than everyone else, which in turn causes you to be treated differently than everyone else. The neural pathways in your brain almost literally cause you to live on a planet just a little off-kilter from the one everybody else is on. That's not a 'mild' difference. It changes and affects EVERYTHING YOU SEE, SAY, THINK and DO - it molds and shapes WHO YOU ARE. That is not a 'mild' effect.

Since you've spent many years muddling your way through life unaware that you were different - in fact, being told that you're NOT different, so you MUST behave like everyone else, you've learned 'coping mechanisms' - little unconscious adjustments that help you pretend to be like everyone around you. But these coping mechanisms come with the burden of tons of added stress, because your behavior is constantly at odds with your natural inclinations. You're ACTING all day, every day. Any wonder you have frequent anger issues? All that anxiety has got to go somewhere, it can only be repressed for so long. Its either going to come out as anger, or plunge you into periodic bouts of deep depression...or both.

So I've come to feel that if you can, after close study of the disorder and a brutally realistic evaluation of your own life as seen through the Autistic lens, still honestly say that the Aspergian effects on your life have been 'mild' - then you probably wouldn't qualify for a formal diagnosis, because you don't really have it. If you're enjoying a reasonably happy life with only minimal road bumps due to Autistic behaviors, you might be considered PDD-NOS at best. But why would anyone want to claim a diagnosis for a neurological disorder if it wasn't seriously screwing up their life? I don't know, but there are a lot of people who do it.

So if your life is going smoothly enough that getting a diagnosis seems unnecessary, then why even put a label on your behaviors? If you don't have a problem, then you don't have a 'disorder'. That's kind of what 'disorder' means. If your life is in order, then you're fine.



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26 Jul 2010, 2:25 pm

Thanks for that Willard, that makes me wonder if I was misdiagnosed, or even officially diagnosed. I was told after lengthy testing by a psychiatrist and psychologists that I definitely had it, and I was invited to participate in studies, but I don't think anything went on my "permanent record", or medical record. I'd better email them.

Whatever I have, certainly has impaired my social life, but not my intellectual life, or my work life. It may be that in computers I've found a field where my traits are more advantageous that detrimental, but I wouldn't think I have a disorder, more of a reorder - a reorder not terribly well suited for life on this planet. Hmm.



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26 Jul 2010, 3:15 pm

Willard wrote:
So if your life is going smoothly enough that getting a diagnosis seems unnecessary, then why even put a label on your behaviors? If you don't have a problem, then you don't have a 'disorder'. That's kind of what 'disorder' means. If your life is in order, then you're fine.


In the past I did have severe issues with employment, my last two jobs have been my longest lived. The last one being just over a year, and this current one coming in at three years now. But I think I am rather fortunate to have found what I am doing now. I work from home. I have almost no face to face interaction, and a few telephone calls. Everything I do is at my pace, and I can pretty easily control my work load. The only times that are really difficult are when I am on call every 6-8 weeks, I end up with longer phone calls, that are harder to avoid (in favor of email, or instant messaging), and absolutely no structure whatsoever. It has bad days, and worse days... I may just deal with it, or I may break my hand on my desk and throw my phone across the room because someone called me about "something stupid."

I would have to say that in my opinion my life is severely impacted by this, but that I have managed to fall into a career, and lifestyle that allows me to be myself enough to survive through it.

To me, labeling my behaviors will let me understand them. Instead of questioning "why" and fighting the little things constantly, I can just accept the things that do not matter, and focus my energy on the things that do. I see very little benefit in diagnosis for myself at this time. There is not a magic pill that will make me like everyone else (but this far into my life would I want that?) Counseling? Are they going to teach me how to "fit in" better? 30 years has taught me that well enough. I see only two benefits to it for myself, at this time. Secure, sound 100% certainty that this is what is wrong with me. But... doctors make mistakes, so even that is a lie. The second would be the ability to go to my boss and say "look, my doctors say this is what is wrong with me, and this is what we can do to make things work for me a little better." But I don't need a doctor for that. Fortunately my boss is a great guy, and we have already been doing things like this for the past three years. He or I will notice an area I am having difficulty in, and we will come up with a way to make things easier on me (that still get the job done.) Less phone calls, more emails, less travel, clearer instructions, friendly reminders on larger projects.

If I reach a point that I can not handle this job any longer, I will seek a diagnosis, as I think disability would be my only option. I do not think I can handle going in to work again after this. Or that I will find a manager that is as willing to work with me on things.

Thank you for your insight Willard, and I must say, I love that film.



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26 Jul 2010, 11:23 pm

Glad to meet you, Oid - and welcome greetings to the WP forums.


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27 Jul 2010, 8:52 pm

Welcome to WrongPlanet. :)


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28 Jul 2010, 7:07 am

Hello, welcome to WP!