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08 Mar 2009, 8:36 pm

oh my. they're having all sorts of disasters this year there, aren't they? fires, economic depression, and now hurricane.

totally different subject. was watching a doctor who video last night (of course) and one of the women characters was lamenting that she'd been given the form of "a chav". what the hell is "a chav" and why is it bad?



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08 Mar 2009, 9:42 pm

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chav

I think it's roughly equivalent to "trailer trash." The equivalent Australian term would be "bogan."

Edit: I used to be in the "pram-pushing, cappuccino-drinking suburban mum" demographic and am now morphing into "weird reclusive old lady." :mrgreen:



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09 Mar 2009, 9:23 pm

Yeah, I'd read the "official" definitions online and there's enough leeway that it could have been any of several different actual usage colorations... up to, potentially, a compliment (although in this case the tone in which is was stated made it definitely NOT a compliment). What the written language says and what is intended....

Well, without having the ability to put the video clip up there's no way to get an answer anyway (duh). But I expect it was along the lines of trailer trash or "cheap white trash" (which is a subset of same). Only the closest thing to an English variant of it, I guess.



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10 Mar 2009, 3:49 am

Without knowing exactly what "trailer trash", "bogan" or "cheap white trash" mean, I'd say that the
UrbanDictionary definitions catch the tone of "chav".

OED wrote:
chav, n.

Brit. slang (derogatory).

In the United Kingdom (originally the south of England): a young person of a type characterized by brash and loutish behaviour and the wearing of designer-style clothes (esp. sportswear); usually with connotations of a low social status.


1998 Re: Commuter blues! in uk.local.kent (Usenet newsgroup) 8 May, Travelling from Maidstone to Chatham every day was bad enough. I was born in Brompton so am I a Chav or what? 2002 Observer 26 May I. 5/5 Meet the Chatham Girls, known as ‘Chavs’, whose fashion sense and reputation for easy virtue have earned them a global following as worthy successors to their northern neighbours [sc. Essex Girls]. 2004 Sunday Times (Nexis) 15 Aug. (News Rev. section) 4 Older children desire nothing more than to dress, talk and behave like chavs, that is, a youth tribe that prides itself on council-estate chic - man-made fabrics, fake labels and lots of eight-carat gold: think Vicky Pollard in Little Britain.


As David Mitchell, of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_and_Webb remarked, when he first came across the word, in the newspaper, he thought it would be pronounced "shav", with a French sort of tone.

PS. I used to work in Chatham, for a while.


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10 Mar 2009, 2:44 pm

lau wrote:
Without knowing exactly what "trailer trash", "bogan" or "cheap white trash" mean, I'd say that the
UrbanDictionary definitions catch the tone of "chav".

OED wrote:
chav, n.

Brit. slang (derogatory).

In the United Kingdom (originally the south of England): a young person of a type characterized by brash and loutish behaviour and the wearing of designer-style clothes (esp. sportswear); usually with connotations of a low social status.


1998 Re: Commuter blues! in uk.local.kent (Usenet newsgroup) 8 May, Travelling from Maidstone to Chatham every day was bad enough. I was born in Brompton so am I a Chav or what? 2002 Observer 26 May I. 5/5 Meet the Chatham Girls, known as ‘Chavs’, whose fashion sense and reputation for easy virtue have earned them a global following as worthy successors to their northern neighbours [sc. Essex Girls]. 2004 Sunday Times (Nexis) 15 Aug. (News Rev. section) 4 Older children desire nothing more than to dress, talk and behave like chavs, that is, a youth tribe that prides itself on council-estate chic - man-made fabrics, fake labels and lots of eight-carat gold: think Vicky Pollard in Little Britain.


As David Mitchell, of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_and_Webb remarked, when he first came across the word, in the newspaper, he thought it would be pronounced "shav", with a French sort of tone.

PS. I used to work in Chatham, for a while.



Hmmm, this sounds suspiciously more like "mall rats" than trailer trash. Or maybe some mix.... :wink:



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10 Mar 2009, 3:03 pm

Wats dis?! Are we letting peckerwoods, rednecks, louts, and yahoos in the Cafe?


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10 Mar 2009, 7:16 pm

Smile when ya say that partner. 8O

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11 Mar 2009, 10:09 am

Hey, Lau, is a "council estate" basically government-owned housing? So if someone said they lived on "the Powell Estate" they'd be living in subsidized/government housing for low-income persons? Are there social stigmas attached to living on "an estate"? (Here if someone lives on "an estate" it means they're fabulously wealthy and have a ton of land around a rather impressive home....)



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11 Mar 2009, 2:24 pm

:roll:



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11 Mar 2009, 6:24 pm

Interesting notes on "Chavs" and "council estates". In Scotland we call them "Neds" and
"council schemes" (to me estates conjures up images of castles or stately homes surrounded by acres of wooded land). To be fair to those who live on council schemes/estates most of them are perfectly respectable,being a mixture of houses leased or bought from local government and privately built homes. It's only in certain areas that the louts predominate.

An example of Ned (non-educated delinquent) behaviour was observed by one of my colleagues who was called for jury duty at a local Sheriff Court. The Neds congregated and,
after the obligatory comparing of sportswear,discussed their latest criminal achievements -one
of them remarking to another "It's you again.Have you got a f****** season ticket for this place ha ha ? "


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11 Mar 2009, 9:16 pm

Nan wrote:
Hey, Lau, is a "council estate" basically government-owned housing?
Yes.

Nan wrote:
So if someone said they lived on "the Powell Estate" they'd be living in subsidized/government housing for low-income persons?

Maybe. Or it could be that they were tenants on the estate around the Powell stately home.
I.e. it would depend on context. For "the Powell Council Estate", locally, one would drop the word "Council".

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Are there social stigmas attached to living on "an estate"?

I don't think so. Not particularly. In a lot of cases, although some of a council estate may still be owned by the local council, there was a push, some years back, to sell off the houses to the tenents (quite cheaply). Hence there are lot of home owners who actually live on a council estate, but their house is no longer owned by the council.

Nan wrote:
(Here if someone lives on "an estate" it means they're fabulously wealthy and have a ton of land around a rather impressive home....)

As I said, we have those too.


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11 Mar 2009, 10:50 pm

lau wrote:
Nan wrote:
(Here if someone lives on "an estate" it means they're fabulously wealthy and have a ton of land around a rather impressive home....)

As I said, we have those too.


The British use is sometime not really consistent; whilst quite modest 4-bedroom terraced houses are sometimes called "villa", other buildings, which could be safely described as palaces are just referred as "house" - As to see with Audley End House:

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12 Mar 2009, 12:15 am

I'm sooo excited, I just made a new friend in Ghana. Funny how the name got changed during the conversation. And then I got doubled teamed and I was surprised when the second one couldn't tell me how to take an AK-47 apart and back together again. Ahhh so much work to do. I just don't know what they teach in school these days I guess. We will talk again, I am sure of it. I'm so excited. I think I made a friend. Imagine that.

But I must get back and get mixed up in Scotland's politics. Man and I thought I was the master of the taunt. Cripes, I'm a mere babe in the woods. Serious serious translation problem there though. But there is now a Flatlander tribe in Scotland and I suspect the Ridgerunners will appear soon. Go figure and I thought they only lived here. :roll: :P

Isn't the intra-web wonderful? :twisted: :D


Umm interesting, it appears my new friend has a sense of humor. Wish I had written down the last name now. Translation for Akua is, born on Wednesday, and it was Thursday in Ghana when we talked. Still feminine gender though. Going to be interesting.



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12 Mar 2009, 10:36 am

Lemme guess, Postie. She 1) has a relative who worked for an international firm who was a distant relative of yours who has died and left money to be claimed; 2) she is a widow under dreadful circumstances who desperately needs your assistance, could you please send a check right away; or 3) is a solicitor for the late [fill in the blank] who needs to transfer money to the USA and needs someone in-country to agree to accept it. Purely for legitimate business purposes, of course.....?

Yeah, you gotta mind the spring that pops out... no, wait, that's a Colt Commander. Nevermind.



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12 Mar 2009, 10:40 am

ooooh, help. it needs to be friday. it sssooooo needs to be friday.




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12 Mar 2009, 11:43 am

Day 4 of what ever has got me down. Haven't seen work since Friday, don't know how I am going to live with out this weeks' pay check. Going to go lay me back down in bed.

*koff* *koff*

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