Is Anyone Here 100% Or Close To 100% Autistic?
Whereas you were only given a single brief evaluation when you were already 12.
Why does this matter? Do you seriously believe that I am somehow not autistic? Every little thing you want to challenge for some reason. I am legitimately confused. I do not understand neurotypicals, so I cannot be neurotypical.
I could prove to you that I am autistic & even lf you accept the evidence (unlikely, given history), you will just find another little thing to challenge. What next? Are you going to challenge the fact that I'm looking for friends? Did I really just come here with an entirely false premise for no reason? Why does lt even occur to you to debate these things?
I knew you were going to say that, as I was typing lt. But the thing is that you have accused Me of things in a very clear attempt to infuriate Me, including: butthurt, delusional, narcissistic, neurotypical, a liar, idiotic, etc. I'm using the royal, 'you', here. I know that you didn't say all of these things. But still, you are the most blatant & insult the most frequently. Nobody ever insults unless they are emotional. Imagine Spock trying to insult someone, doesn't work. So yes, I absolutely am claiming to know how you're feeling (somewhat). I don't know which emotion you're feeling or how much, but I do know that you are experiencing emotions & that lt is affecting how you respond.
Nobody took over your house & made you type insults. You decided to do that. You can simply choose not to.
I brought it up because you have basically insisted that I am not really autistic. "You are cripplingly neurotypical" However in my house there is a five drawer file cabinet stuffed with files that say otherwise. My level of autism is a documented scientific fact that has met peer review. To say I am neurotypical is non sequitur illogic.
So far you've provided nothing beyond " I say X so you must believe me " to back up those claims . It's hyperbole with no substance to it .
That's where we differ. If the roles were reversed, I wouldn't have anything beyond a minor curiousity. And what in your mind would not be an example of, 'I say X.'? From your perspective I can say anything & there is no way I could prove lt in a manner that you might not think falsified. In other words, you won't ever believe Me because you have no desire to. And lt is entirely pointless to debate with someone who will only ever debate one-sidedly. Debating is just as much about considerring opposing evidence as lt is about attempting to convince the opposition of your thesis.
If you'd like to provide some feasible methods in which I could provide evidence which you would consider acceptable, then we can establish some common ground, vital for any debate. But lf you only seek to blindly challenge every little thing I say & cognitively inauthenticate all evidence I provide to prove them, then this has ceased to be a debate.
Now you're being dishonest. If you were to back things up with some verifiable facts I'd be a lot more inclined to believe you aren't full of BS. Indeed as things stand you're the one wanting a one sided debate . You just saying X , and expecting me to accept it without backing up X, isn't good enough. So far you have provided no evidence to support your position . That's where a sensible discussion falls down , and not with anything I have said.
Close, but lt's not because I use My neocortex. Many people who aren't great do. It's about how much I use lt. 1% neocortex usage does not equal human 2.0. It must be at least 50%, which is quite rare. So no, I'm not saying that NT's never use the neocortex. Some don't, while the rest use lt so little that lt's barely worth counting. But for the sake of transparency, every mammal who doesn't have a condition preventing lt, uses their neocortex to some degree. We're all neurologically capable of greatness, unlike lesser evolved life forms. However, only a very small percentage take advantage of this resource enough to qualify for greatness. That's just facts. I don't think anybody disagrees with the assessment that most people are awful. There is a reason for that: neurotypicality.
I hate to make blanket statements, but the probability here is very high. Most NT's are terrible people. It doesn't take a mathematician to realize that since most people are terrible & most people are neurotypical, most NT's are thereby terrible. Some are just bad, others decent, some may even be good. Neurotypicals are not born evil. Studies show that all humans are innately good from birth. It is society that turns people evil & NT's are significantly more likely than autists to be manipulated & corrupted. That is the major disparity. Neurotypicals versus autists is another false dichotomy. We're often too' busy fighting each other to realize that neither side is the enemy. We're being played by the Dark Triad. Divide & conquer. These are the people who are truly awful. Yes, I am like a Vulcan.
I have listed tangible deeds. You have seen fit to skim through posts in a mad rush to reply with yet another illegitimately founded criticism. I cannot discover something that has already been discoverred. I have created a plethora of original & creative works of art, another item that you have neglected to read. I live on a palisade, so floods aren't prevalent. I don't even have a permanent home for Myself. Think of Aladdin. He was a street rat, an impoverished, homeless, social outcast. He is a nice enough guy, but what power did he have to spread prosperity? None. Meeting the Princess, finding a magic genie, finding a monkey companion & a rug, facing an evil vizier, finding two poor, hungry kids who nearly got attacked. These are all chance events, none of which were in his power to create. The Sultan on the other hand can make any changes he desires, good or bad. Was Aladdin's generosity somehow unsubstantiated by the fact that he couldn't provide homes to the homeless, due to being homeless himself? I hope lt is obvious to you that this is not the case. I can only do what is within My circle of influence. It being small is inconsequential to My greatness. Put Me in charge & I will create any improvement you like. I'll provide mansions to the homeless, eliminate all disorders & prevent significant damage from natural disasters. Seriously.
I have to hand lt to you: for being completely incorrect & misguided, you are quite determined & have even come up with some decent explanations to support your views.
Autism is not a catch-all explanation for every attribute. Some traits can seem neurotypical but still be autistic. Is someone who plays the piano well definitely autistic? No. Can they be? Absolutely. Autism does however make lt highly probable that an individual will excel at a given task. As I've said, autism does not explain every trait I have. I have reason to believe that I have the evolutionary beginning of something greater. Still, I am definitely autistic & that definitely makes Me great. I can't speak for everyone, their claims should be treated on individual bases.
What a curious thing to say, when you have never seen anyone else categorize autism into percentages. It seems like an attempt to prove yourself right by comparing Me to other people whose claims are unsubstantiated by neurotypical standards, thereby providing a motivation for Me to make My claim. Clever, but ultimately dishonest.
If you mean the merits of being human 1.0, I do acknowledge merit there. I'm not saying we need to whipe out all neurotypicals so the autistic master race can take over. It is not My place to make that call. That's up to evolution & Yahweh. If they wanted that, lt probably would have happened by now. Neurotypicals can be valuable in the right context, a context where they are not predominant. NT's are great followers. Autists are great leaders. Someone else has pointed this out. They said that without NT's, there would only be leaders (mostly) with noone to lead. It's a bit hyperbolic. In reality, autists would likely sort out a hierarchy. I do think that a world of only autists could work, but like I said, I'm not trying to get rid of neurotypicals nor do I support that idea. One pretty unexpendable merit of NT's is motor speed. Not all autists are as slow as Me, but lt's a fact that logical thought is slower. Given a proper hierarchy fix, neurotypicals can do a lot of good. But NT's are not meant to lead themselves & autists are not meant to follow NT's. Neither camp can do any good as we're not in our native habitats. The best way to work together is proper delegation, where autists lead in their preferred fields & neurotypicals work in their preferred fields. That way neurotypicals will have a purpose to their direction & autists will have freedom & peace of mind for improvement.
Often, but not always. Even lf the probability is 99%, lt is possible for Me to be the 1%. Probability is not the same as possibility. I have no feelings of inferiority, so nothing can develop from there.
If you mean the merits of being human 1.0, I do acknowledge merit there. I'm not saying we need to whipe out all neurotypicals so the autistic master race can take over. It is not My place to make that call. That's up to evolution & Yahweh. If they wanted that, lt probably would have happened by now. Neurotypicals can be valuable in the right context, a context where they are not predominant. NT's are great followers. Autists are great leaders. Someone else has pointed this out. They said that without NT's, there would only be leaders (mostly) with noone to lead. It's a bit hyperbolic. In reality, autists would likely sort out a hierarchy. I do think that a world of only autists could work, but like I said, I'm not trying to get rid of neurotypicals nor do I support that idea. One pretty unexpendable merit of NT's is motor speed. Not all autists are as slow as Me, but lt's a fact that logical thought is slower. Given a proper hierarchy fix, neurotypicals can do a lot of good. But NT's are not meant to lead themselves & autists are not meant to follow NT's. Neither camp can do any good as we're not in our native habitats. The best way to work together is proper delegation, where autists lead in their preferred fields & neurotypicals work in their preferred fields. That way neurotypicals will have a purpose to their direction & autists will have freedom & peace of mind for improvement.
Often, but not always. Even lf the probability is 99%, lt is possible for Me to be the 1%. Probability is not the same as possibility. I have no feelings of inferiority, so nothing can develop from there.
Let's face facts here. This stopped being a matter of disagreement a long time ago. Now I'm getting pity & subtle insults, emotional reactions. I've been completely polite & reasonable throughout, I even looked for the positive side & gave out some compliments. The only reason this isn't a cold war is because I'm not a belligerent. "There is a complete lack of insight as to how what you are claiming is in fact total bunkum.". I'm guessing that looked better in your head. 'Attack', is a bit of an exaggeration, but there is a very clear offensive. We're like two sports teams. You have a very clear You-versus-us paradigm when there is no need for lt to be that way. The fact that days later literally EVERYONE is still senselessly arguing against a moot point when this isn't a debate topic goes to show this. I can't say I didn't see lt coming, but lt didn't occur that lt would last this long. How many people actually read the post from top to bottom & tried to help versus people who skimmed, saw something they don't like & decided to argue about lt? I've still yet to receive an answer as to why this is so important to you. You're not losing anything by My claim & you can't gain anything by somehow being right. The expression, 'Choose your battles.', really comes into play here. If you want to keep going down this road, I won't stop you. But you should know that lt is entirely pointless.
I've pretty much already proved lt. My mind's operating system runs nearly exclusively on logic. I rely almost completely on My neocortex. Without a brain scan, that's the best I can do. Though I'm not sure what the point of debating lt is. Does anyone here deny that I am autistic? If you already accept the fact that I am autistic, what difference does the percentage make? If you said you were 100% neurotypical, I wouldn't drop everything & go on some crazy quest to inauthenticate the claim. Why would I have any reason to doubt that right off the bat? Sure, lf we talked for awhile & I noticed some clearly autistic traits, alright, I might question lt. But you guys debate this as though I insulted your mothers. I don't see how the percentage of My autism is a cause for alarm or even relevant to the topic. Yes, lt's in the post title, but really has nothing to do with the question. I know why I'm debating. My integrity is being challenged & I'm defending lt. I'd have some peace of mind lf everyone realized that everything I've said is true & we could move on. I don't understand why any of you are debating. What is the cause for doubt? What is the relevance? What is the purpose of all of the emotions? What is there to gain? What is at stake? Everyone has jumped on this bandwagon, but noone knows why or what the bandwagon really represents.
This is all impeding on your ability to debate properly. How can one debate without a real motivation? There's a tinge of logic there but lt's lost in a sea of unrealized emotions & socially ritualistic behavior. I can describe what's happening using logic, but without limbicortical thinking, I cannot understand any of lt. You're all compromising integrity & peace for social bonding. Why? Are any of you ever going to hang out? I don't know about you, but lf I were to compromise My integrity, I'd want to gain something, not just a brief, positive social image. That has no value. You neurotypicals are strange. You say I am disorderly for only trusting people who are trustworthy. Apparently what I should be doing is going around pretending to be someone else every time the tide is flowing in a clear direction, whether or not I agree with lt, all in the name of pleasing some people who I'll probably never see again nor will ever return the favor & only lasting a brevity. Am I the only one noticing this? When the topic was relatively young, everyone was civil, because that's how the tide was flowing. Then the tide changed when the Fire Nation attacked (a couple of people who decided to take a more hostile approach for whatever reason). Now everyone is more or less taking on this subtle but minorly hostile philosophy. Okay, you made your trade. Now what?
That's a whole lotta butthurt.
I know who not to debate with. In EzraS World, everyone is wrong & EzraS is right. I'm sure you think you're so cool posing in front of your neurotypical, 'friends', tossing out inapplicable insults, despite the fact that I have been entirely patient & civil throughout the conversation & even attempted to be positive by complimenting My critics. You know you've lost the debate when you have to resort to one-sentence insults to respond to entire essays worth of evidence contradictory to your views. You're embarassing yourself. Quit while you still have some dignity to protect & admit that I am right. I know that this is hard for you, as you will have to conversely admit you are wrong, but lt is the right thing to do. I don't know where you get off thinking you are cripplingly autistic, but this is clearly not the case. You are cripplingly neurotypical. Or maybe lt's because you, 'need to read something a few times to understand', that you see fit to toss out petty insults to well-crafted responses. I could give you the benefit of a proper response. Or...
Haha, look, EzraS is getting frustrated that he's losing. Flock around, neurotypicals, join Me in My inane social ritual attempting to gain favor among peers who will never be of any relevance to Me & let us laugh at the expense of the overly emotional EzraS. Let us invalidate every claim that he makes, make him dance for us by having him write long, well-crafted responses, while we ignore lt & tell him that he's gay. That'll teach him not to exist.
I thought I was on WrongPlanet, but clearly I'm on the wrong planet. I somehow ended up on youtube.
Bottom line . Ezra is far more intelligent than you , and sees through your crap .
By the way, props to the site. I am quite fond of the feature that notifies you before submitting a reply that there has been a new reply you may wish to read first. This allows you to solidify more than one response in one reply.
Dishonest again . You're the one being bad mannered and going out of your way to cause a flame war,no one else . All that's required is for you to back up your claims with some verifiable facts .
You would just bask in your greatness. Trying to justify yourself is rough work.
And truly great people don’t waste their time on the Internet bragging about winning flame wars.
Kinda true. But the only alternative was to ignore your questions, which I didn't want to do. Anyway, I'm done now.
You could have handled it so much more constructivly.
That requires a level of intelligence he doesn't seem to have.
Whereas you were only given a single brief evaluation when you were already 12.
A good point, but I doubt he'll take it on board.
For a person who complains about being emotional and insulting he sure shows enough of that himself .
What I mean by “hanging out with us”:
Tell us what you had for dinner. Was it good?
Have a dialogue. Don’t belittle people. You can’t expect folks to react well to someone who feels they are better than them....especially when there’s no concrete evidence...that they are better than them.
And only God capitalizes personal pronouns referring to Himself.
What did you have for dinner tonight?
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I do have psychological issues. Autism is not one of them. Therapy is overpriced & only helpful to neurotypicals anyway. I'm not against the idea, but unless you want to hire one, lt's not going to happen. Autism is no more a disorder than neurotypicality (though some people on this site beg to differ). It is simply a different school of thought.
The list of people you gave, are people who might have had autism. And for every one of those people there are hundreds of autistics who do not come close to matching up with them. One can be autistic and be a genius. But that doesn't mean that being autistic makes one a genius. That's obvious because most aren't.
It is impossible to diagnose historic figures. One can not know know how they presented or what they thought throughout their lifetime especially in the earliest years. We suspect/diagnose autism of historical figures based on accounts of contemporaries describing what we know today to be autistic traits. Thing is those contemporaries 1. Had no idea a thing called Autism existed. 2. Used words that often had different meaning and context back then. The retro diagnosers fail to take into account that the contemporaries of the retro diagnosed often had different values systems they judged people by and that both the retro diagnosed and their contemporaries were dealing with a very different environment.
In short the major flaw with retro diagnosing is that it based on presentism.
Since NT’s are a vast majority of the population the odds are pretty good that some of them invented some things.
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“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman
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I did not deny your autism by saying that. I have reason to doubt lt, but I make no claims. If you say you are, then you are. I'll leave lt at that. I don't like to get involved with what other people say they are, because lt's difficult to prove otherwise & they tend to get very emotional about lt. One can be autistic & neurotypical simultaneously. You exhibit MANY neurotypical tendencies, so even despite limited evidence, just based on what you have provided, there is a very high probability of you being highly neurotypical. I would be surprised lf lt turned out you aren't. And lf you truly consider autism crippling, then there is no reason to be offended by a neurotypicality accusation.
"I am clinically unemotional.". You force My hand in debating that. I have a dozen posts of yours that say otherwise, namely the butthurt one. It's really ironic that you make that comment when you exhibit the most symptoms of being butthurt. I'm not going to say you are, because that's immature, but I will say that doing so makes you extremely hard to take seriously. It also makes you come across as a hypocrite. You are clinically stoic, maybe. But you are almost certainly hyperemotional. Whatever you are, lt isn't very logical. That I am positive of. So lf you truly are clinically unemotional, then you must be regressing to your repticortex, behaving like prey. This is worse than being neurotypical, as this would make you dangerous, even by NT standards. I hope for your sake that they are wrong.
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