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11 Jun 2012, 12:18 pm

It is sad that you don't feel love, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I love my child, I love my boyfriend, I love my parents, and I expect nothing from any of them, although being loved back is nice. I didn't choose my boyfriend for money, he has less if it than I do. I chose him because I appreciate his company. And I will marry him because he is a wonderful person, not because I want any kind of security or financial gain. Not everyone lives in your head, not everyone experiences things the same way you do, and the majority of women want equality and they are not ugly. That is an incredibly offensive thing to say. And by the way, beauty is also subjective. You're definitely not objective, you're just rude.



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11 Jun 2012, 2:36 pm

Simplistic maybe would be a good word.



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11 Jun 2012, 4:55 pm

teguh123 wrote:
I guess my problem is not asperger then.

Yes, I suspect you may be right there



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11 Jun 2012, 10:49 pm

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Effectively males means ugly women are truly "equal" with men. If they can work as hard as males then they should be appreciated just as well as males.

Pretty women are goddesses.... They are ubber alles. So I wonder why feminazis insist on equality so much. Hot babes are more than men. Yet some women want equality. Guess what? They're almost always ugly. I was like, of course.... :D

Definition of prostitution by law:

Exchange of lewd acts for "consideration"


Actually all sex is whoredom if you use that definition. Who among us have sex without consideration.

Would I marry my wife if she doesn't have sex with me? No. Would she marry me if she doesn't expect me to pay (either through alimony or support or shelter?) no.

If we can exchange what we truly want, most women will choose to be sugar babies or prostitute. Most men want sex. Women just want money. I don't feel love. I never feel love. I don't know what that is. It's just BS to justify prohibiting what people truly want.

Then honest relationship, where we don't have to BS about love, sanctity, and sacredness. Where we just pay cold hard cash is prohibited. Go figure.


"Effectively males means ugly women are truly "equal" with men." - for future reference, most people will not understand that this is what you men unless you explain it to them. Saying 'women are equal with men' and saying 'women are effectively male' mean very different things to most people.

Also, you seem to be saying that in our society women are either seen as equal to men or better than men, depending on their physical attractiveness. This may be how you see them, but I think you could ask almost any woman and they would tell you that that is not their experience. Also, I think most would object to being judged solely on their appearance.


You might just have to take my word for this, but most relationships are not as you describe. Most women in relationships (and out of them for that matter) have sex because they want to, not because they want to get something else out of the man. Do they usually get money from their partner? Of course, serious relationships involve a combining of resources to be used for common goals, but sex is not a means to this end. It's increasingly common that the woman will make more than the man, thus it's he that receives money and is the 'whore'.




But if I might get back to your original post, you said you noticed that people seemed to get emotional or angry when you stated your opinions, rather than intellectually trying to understand or debate them. I don't think this is about objectivity vs. subjectivity, but more about analytical thinking vs. emotional thinking. I think if you want to avoid or minimise this in the future you could look at the exact words you use to explain it to them. Some words or phrases may mean one thing to you, but mean something slightly different to others. For example when you say all women are whores: most people take this to be an insult, the word 'whore' has universally bad connotations, it's sometimes even used as a general insult apart from it's literal meaning (like bastard). Perhaps you could instead say "women use sex to get what they want". It's still a controversial opinion and you will still find people get angry with you, but by softening the language you might find people get less angry, and try to discuss the view a bit more rather than immediately disregarding it.



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13 Jun 2012, 2:08 am

I'd also add that it would be likely that someone on the spectrum would speak more in specifics than vague generalizations and epithets. Sorry but most of us can see that all people are individuals and as such there are a wide range of characteristics each person may have. Speaking in broad generalizations then is inaccurate speech. Plus, why would you choose emotionally charged verbiage when other words are far better able to convey similar thoughts and ideas without shutting down the listener? It's illogical, to say the least.

As far as being objective, I would imagine that it would depend on the person. For example, I asked a friend of mine why he liked talking out his problems with me the other day. His response was basically that I tended to have a more logical way of dealing with things that breaks through the emotional static. To him, it's calming in a way. I think the way I am does make me more objective, but I generally know how to do it without being a jerk. I may have my moments when I unknowingly offend people, but it's not because I am using emotionally charged words that are typically used as insults.


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13 Jun 2012, 9:42 am

Yea I suppose rather than saying women are whore I should say women, especially the pretty, use sex to get what they want.

The truth is, who doesn't?

If what they want is money, a very common thing, so what?

Yea there are some differences.

If I can use sex to get what I want I too would do that. Of course, males and ugly women usually have far fewer sex partners willing to pay them for sex.

Okay, here is a practice.

I believe that laws against prostitution is not there to protect women. It's there to prevent women from picking richer males.

I also believe that anti women trafficking laws have nothing to do with protecting trafficked women. It's there to protect women in rich countries from having to compete against women from poorer countries.

Now ask around in stackexchange.com. Biology, psychology, philosophy, sceptic stack exchange. Ask ANYWAY you can phrase it.

I bet they closed your question as being off topic, a rant, not a real question, not constructive whatever.



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14 Jun 2012, 7:27 am

It seems to me that people get mad at you because you have a very ugly personality. You are rude and sexist and you flaunt your unpopular ill considered opinions unashamedly.
No matter how much money / shelter / sex you would be able to provide there is no way I would ever be able to get past your negative steriotyped view of the world to consider being with you for 1 second. Consider this in your over simplistic equation for how the world and particularly (disturbingly) women operate.


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14 Jun 2012, 8:58 am

teguh123 wrote:
Yea I suppose rather than saying women are whore I should say women, especially the pretty, use sex to get what they want.

The truth is, who doesn't?

If what they want is money, a very common thing, so what?

Yea there are some differences.

If I can use sex to get what I want I too would do that. Of course, males and ugly women usually have far fewer sex partners willing to pay them for sex.

Okay, here is a practice.

I believe that laws against prostitution is not there to protect women. It's there to prevent women from picking richer males.

I also believe that anti women trafficking laws have nothing to do with protecting trafficked women. It's there to protect women in rich countries from having to compete against women from poorer countries.
This is the most hilarious and horrible thing I've seen posted on this forum. How old are you, 14? Yes, young girls and women are snatched off the street and forced to be sex slaves as part of a huge conspiracy to elevate "sexually liberated" females and the evil rich women want to put a stop to this so they don't lose money from Laika the 7 year old Russian prostitute :roll:
Now ask around in stackexchange.com. Biology, psychology, philosophy, sceptic stack exchange. Ask ANYWAY you can phrase it.

I bet they closed your question as being off topic, a rant, not a real question, not constructive whatever.


Plenty of people don't. Lots of people do use sex but lots of people don't as well. You sound like you just get all your ideas about how people really are either from television or a site like 4chan. How old are you, out of curiosity? You just seem like a very bitter person who's maybe been hurt in the past by one or more inconsiderate females and instead of trying to move on you're holding a personal vendetta against all females. I don't really want to say this to someone who has his own opinions about things..but you sound kind of out of touch with reality maybe.

Also I would really like to see your photo, as someone who throws around terms like "ugly" so objectively and uses it as a basis to determine one's personal worth and value.


Sharkgirl wrote:
It seems to me that people get mad at you because you have a very ugly personality. You are rude and sexist and you flaunt your unpopular ill considered opinions unashamedly.
No matter how much money / shelter / sex you would be able to provide there is no way I would ever be able to get past your negative steriotyped view of the world to consider being with you for 1 second. Consider this in your over simplistic equation for how the world and particularly (disturbingly) women operate.


Yeah, said much better than me.



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10 Aug 2012, 6:28 pm

Personally I am very objective about most things but extremely subjective about certain topics. So I guess no, not really, assuming others are similar.