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Since you are going to drag me into this:

I am afraid that nuclear war could concievably break out. Iran with a nuclear weopon when the leader has just recently said that another nation should be "Wiped off the face of the Earth" does not compare to my president; George Bush.

Personally I am torn over this war. I have seen the torture chambers where 5 coats of paint had to be applied to the walls to cover the blood that could no be removed. I have SEEN the human remains that were taken from the LIONS CAGES where the females who had been used by that S.O.B. Uday were thrown when they displeased him.

On the other hand, Saddam hated terrorist and shot them on sight. He may have ruled with an iron fist, but the countries sects were kept in line.

Do not believe everything you read in the press. I have been first hand witness to the press lying. I am not going into specifics but there is a well known "FACT" that I just heard quoted on the evening news (American, there is a satellite). I KNOW that what they are saying is an untruth.

What is a "FACT", what is "THE TRUTH". It all depends upon your perspective. Anything can be skewed by the observer.

Do not believe everything you know. I know that there is a lot that I do not KNOW. That is why I ask questions, which once again is all that I was doing with this nice young lady from Iran. I am not trying in any way to be judgemental (but it seems you are).

crazedchef

LOADED GUN OF IRONY...

I Love that...

crazedchef

Welcome to WP!

Tim

I am asking a question - do you think, based on your observations regarding Iran, that the same logic could be applied to your own leader? A kind of global risk assessment?

Do not make the mistake of believing that because I don't trust Bush I am somehow a terrorist / dictator sympathiser. Saddam was an evil tyrant, but I don't think that's why Bush invaded. That has more to do with oil, unfinished family business, and the suppression of a leader who blatantly ridiculed the American empire. There is also money to be made from reconstruction and from debt.

I am intrigued to learn your opinions because Americans generally seem very keen to discuss the politics of every nation on earth except their own. Why is it acceptable to talk about Iran but unacceptable to talk about the USA?

I don't pay too much attention to the views of the TV news stations and popular press, because yes, I know they lie. But they lie in support of hypocrites like Bush and Blair far more than they damn them, and that's partly why the majority of westerners never question their policies. I'm not left wing or right wing, by the way, though I try to be fairly "green" - my issue is with liars and with truth, same as you. We're approaching the same issue from different directions.

In saying that I am being judgemental you are refuting the validity of my viewpoint out of hand, which is equally judgemental, I believe. I am open to your views if you are open to mine, and I am quite prepared to disclose my sources. For starters, you might like to have a look at the nobel-prize winning Mark Thomas, and his book "As used on the famous Nelson Mandela" about the global arms trade. I claim that as my truth, for now.

Hello,

This is more reasonable. I was incensed from your first post because of what you said: "Known FACTS". Whose Facts? I do not even trust the Nobel Committee. That is one of the most notoriously political organizations on the planet just set up so the inventor of dynamite would not be remembered for killing so many millions of people. I dispute several of your "Known FACTS". They were insulting to me as an American. I do not even begin to say that I understand the nuances of my Government. I would not be so emboldened to asume that I could understand yours or this young lady from Iran's government either.

Now if you just want to discuss the issues without name calling I am open to that. I disagree with what you said in your first post, OK. Let Bygones be Bygones, we can agree to disagree.

I do not know what the hell the motivations were to come into Iraq. There were WMD's. They were hidden from the weapon's inspectors very easily. The restrictions placed upon the UN Inspector's made it very easy for them to hide them. I believe that many tons of chemical & biological weapons were smuggled out of this country right before the invasion. What difference does it make. Using these WMD's to kill vast amounts of people is extremely difficult, it is much easier for them to make a "dirty" bomb to kill people. Considering how much fissionable material is missing from the formet Soviet Republic, I am amazed that this has not happened yet.

But back too your question, No, I do not think we should have come over here. I believe that the reasons for war were tenuous at best. Now that we are here though, we need to stay until a (relatively) stable government can be established.

Truly I wish these hundreds of billions of dollars were being spent on the infrastructure and school system in AMERICA instead of here in this hellhole.

Also, I can say that my opinions of War, Religion, Politics and everything else is different from ANYONE i have ever met. I do not follow any religious (I am Christian, but do not follow the traditional teaching of any church) or political party with out disagreeing with some important tenent of their belief system.

I read MOUNDS AND MOUNDS. That is my obsession as an Aspie. I take in information on anything and everything no matter how trivial. Cannot say my views are anywhere near your typical American or anyone else for that matter, but isn't that what we are doing here on WRONG PLANET?

gotta run,

crazedchef

I read the Koran before I ever heard of a terrorist and it scared the crap out of me. As a woman, I was deeply offended. I used to be a Baha'i, a religion which originated in Iran. After the fundamentalists took over Iran, the Baha'is were systematically executed. As distorted as some sects of Christianity have become, there is no modern Christian society that executes people on the basis of their beliefs.

I personally believe that Islam reflects the culture of a nomadic society and Christianity reflects the culture of an agricultural society and both are in need of reformation to reflect current society. Some Christian sects are making an effort to be inclusive, which is something I cannot say about Islam

Although none of this has anything to do about AS...

Dear Ms M_LibertyGirl,

Many apoligies to you and all Parsii people. Welcome to Wrong Planet, a place where our sameness overcomes our differances. Same world, differant spot, where inappropraite babblers think a birthday party is a forum for their views.

There are many here who will relate deeply to what you have said about your life, I thought I was the only one, now I have found thousands. We are all very different, yet share a common connection.

A software Engineer who cannot remember names, and gets lost coming and going to work, those are around by the hundreds. I have heard stories of people who left work at Microsoft, drove off, and an hour later came back, went to their desk, and started work. They had forgotten which way they were going.

The world is a busy and demanding place, it always wants more, it needs to be told, No! We do need sleep, much more than others, thick drapes and total darkness, soft bedding, and time to recharge. To me it is the one big issue that affects all others. Without sleep I become non-creative very quickly. When I sleep till I wake naturally, it is a much better world. It is within our control, where so much is not.

I suffered from social stress, a strange thing, for when I came to WP, most of it vanished. I look forward to meeting new people and learning their views. I feel the same about the world, but as many have said, WP is not the world, and knowing a half dozen around here is a full social life. Here I understand and am understood. When I go shopping nothing has changed, but I no longer feel it, it used to be the only world, but now I live on WP with mostly wonderful people very like myself.

I know it does not come naturally, but perhaps if you worked on it, made lists or something, little maps of where you are going, where danger is to be expected, and planned ahead, your mother could worry just a bit less?

There are lots of girls your age here, who write code, animate, draw, create, and see the world just as you do. It helps to know people like yourself. Solutions come for common problems in an understandable way.

Welcome, for we all want you to find the happiness and support that we found here, nothing is as liberating as finding your planet, and your people.

Peace and joy to you M_LibertyGirl

Hello Again,

Strictly speaking American politics:

I hate the two party system, it is not true democracy, we need more choices.

I hate the "War on Drugs". We spend billions of dollars ruining the lives of non-violent offenders. I like the English approach much better, treating drug ABUSE as a social instead of a criminal problem. Notice I highlighted ABUSE. I also believe that there is a place for responsible drug use.

I hate most police officers. I think that they are power hungry hypocrites. Anyone who wants power over another should not have it. Do not have any answers there either, I was going to suggest that we have a lottory for political and police positions with a set amount of time for each, but then I remembered how stupid some people are. Lack of empathy, I forget that most people do not take the time to think about current events, world happenings, or there place in the universe.

You got me started.



crazedchef

p.s. my apologies to that wonderful smart and funny girl from Iran who is probably mad that this thread has COMPLETELY gotten off track

Hello,

To Inventor:

inappropraite babblers think a birthday party is a forum for their views.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black .

Do not get me wrong, I LOVE your stories. I wish that I could write with such eloquence but come on, talking about your domination of others and feeling like a cat being able to communicate with the animals. You go so far off track sometimes that I feel that you are coming from outer space, not that there is anything wrong with that.

She is from Iran right next door to where I AM RIGHT NOW AND HAVE BEEN FOR 20 MONTHS!! !

I asked her about her President because I have some serious concerns about getting blown up by a nuclear device here in Baghdad. Iran and Iraq fought for 9 yrs (not sure of the exact figure). I did not start all of this, but it is relavent because of where I am and what I am going through.

I am amazed by her normalness. In Pattaya, Thailand last year, three Iranians started talking to me outside the Hard Rock Hotel about the war in Iraq and talked about "Those bastards in Iraq, I hope you Americans kill all of them!" "Oh and by the way, do you know what the problem with the World is right now?" "No.", I answered naively. "That Bastard Joseph f****d that b***h Mary 2000 yrs ago and begat that BASTARD JESUS!" I almost stabbed him in the neck right then, but I walked away.

I could not believe that I could be having a cival conversation to have someone come out of the blue and insult me, my religion and everything I stand for JUST LIKE THAT!! He was Iranian. That is why I am asking this girl questions, because I want to not be upset with all Iranians just because of a jerk in Thailand.

Do you remember the RIOTS all over the world because of a couple of cartoons of Muhammad?

This man insulted my depest held beliefs like he was swatting a fly. If He could do this, why couldn't his President blow up Israel just for the hell of it if he got the Bomb?

Anyway, at least I got to go to Thailand.



crazedchef

I apologize for my part in a conversation about religion and politics which is socially divisive, not inclusive.

Hello. I'm another new person. I'm a 23-year old college grad who was diagnosed in my sophomore year of high school. I was very pleased to learn that a site like this existed where I could connect with others of "my kind." I've spent my life feeling like a freak and not knowing any other Aspies, so a big hello to all of you!

Welcome to WP!

Tim

Welcome to WP!
You speak very good English, not to mention you're very pretty as well

Hello,

A little advice for new people, I answered a posting from the HOME page on the top right.

I did not even notice what heading it was under.

I would not have answered all of the questions posed to me had I known what forum I was in.

When you go to the post from the Home Page it is very easy to get lost

crazedchef

Yeah sorry, the thread derailment was my fault.

Crazedchef - sorry for winding you up, I should have chosen my words more carefully. I find it frustrating when there are constant discussions about "third world" politics on western TV shows and in the papers, but somehow we are prevented from discussing the underlying problems in our own countries. The narrow-mindedness, the hypocrisy and the lack of real choice gets me down, and that's why I got a bit emotional about it (even though I was trying not to). We have the same problem in the UK with a lack of real political choice and an electorate who always put their wallets before their principles. It's sad. Anyway, that's something for a different forum thread.

I must push the Mark Thomas book again, though. Here's a review from Amazon:

"What can I say about this book except that my wife also likes it - and she doesn't read any old rubbish. This book does a rare thing and appeals to most sides of the political spectrum. Anyone with a conscience will be appalled at what Mark Thomas reveals it this book, but so will anyone who has ever begun a sentence with "I don't see why my taxes should be spent on...".

This is both funny and politically informative - no easy thing to achieve. Highly recommended".

M_LibertyGirl,

More appoligies. It seems like you look like a girl someone had a crush on in the fourth grade, that belongs in Love and Dating. I would advise you to try Math, Science, and Engineering, but as most are male and never had a date, you will get a thousand marriage proposals, per hour, for a while.

Arts an writing is a more mixed forum. Politics and Religion should be locked forums, with those who want to speak about it locked up together.

THIS IS, GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER! !! !!

Most of the people here are very nice, and remember how they felt when they first posted. We who have had our shares of blank stares, dumb reactions, as we reached out to the world, welcome you.

The views expressed are not reflective of the vast majority. They know better and only speak of video games, animation, software, art, reading, the real meaning of life.

Those who's words are meant to inflame are called Trolls, they do show up, but do not last.