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05 Dec 2019, 2:49 pm

Lucky ducky!! My dad was a great guy too. He just was not demonstrative at all. Neither was my mom so maybe that's why I crave intimacy and am troubled that I don't have that with hubby.



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06 Dec 2019, 6:09 am

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I just became aware that our difficulties in our relationship are due to his Aspergers. I took the test for him (I know him really well and am good at predicting his behavior) and “he” scored 36 out of 50. He is rigid and angers easily. How do I broach this to him? He is 72. Do I involve his kids? I am actually relieved that I am not Crazy as he tells me I am. I am have been so lonely in our 16 year marriage even though we are in the same place 24 hours a day. ( I work from home and he is retired). I have been the breadwinner and peacemaker our entire life together. My fear is that he will feel “attacked” instead of intrigued about this. And the consequences will be long lasting and miserable for me. What to do?



****UPDATE*****. I asked his sisters if they ever thought he might be an Aspie and what they thought of telling him. Yes, they think that is very possible and that he would most certainly feel threatened and that he would never accept the hypothesis. So I will NoT tell him of my suspicions. I will just read all I can about the care and feeding of an Aspie and work on the best way to take care of him and me too.

Thank you for this group and your upfront and no holds barred truth.



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06 Dec 2019, 8:20 am

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Sidecarsmom wrote:
Thank you for the perspective. You painted the exact picture of our relationship with you second scenario. I am so excited to have something concrete that explains our life that I am itching to share...but as your scar illustrates, he might not appreciate this nearly as much as I do. and yes, he will "pout" for a full week...shutting me even further out and telling me everything is "fine" (insert image of teenager rolling eyes and enunicating FIIINE).


That is probably a good approach to take. You might read up on Aspergers. There are several books written on the subject and even a number of YouTube videos on the subject. These can give you some valuable insight and perspective on the condition. But at 72! He is one year older than I and probably fairly set in his ways. Also there are some traits that Aspies possess that are valuable:

Positive Aspie Traits
* They are usually loyal and dependable. Competing to get ahead is less important than solving problems and meeting challenges. Conscientiousness, faithfulness and devotion to duty matter more than ambition, especially if that ambition would cause others to suffer.
* Adults with Aspergers pursue ideas they believe in without being deterred by what others say. They are not easily swayed by others’ opinions, nor do they give up because someone tries to convince them otherwise.
* They are good at recognizing patterns and in classifying things. They are comfortable with order, precision and categorization, which make them successful in following rules, allocating resources and solving problems.
* They tend to be sincere, positive and genuine, which make them loyal and dependable friends.
* Speaking their minds regardless of the social context is true of many adults with Aspergers. They are much more interested in someone’s skills and expertise than whether that person is viewed favorably by others.
* Adults with Aspergers are especially good at noting and recalling details. They are helpful at work that requires knowledge of facts, details, and memory. They are often exceptional at the recall of details forgotten or disregarded by others. They have a passion for gathering and cataloging information on a topic of interest.
* An acute sensitivity to specific sensory experiences and stimuli, including touch, vision, and smell is common and having such unusual sensory experiences gives them a different perspective on the world.
* Adults with Aspergers tend to be trusting of others, even charmingly naïve. They are compassionate and caring, and many maintain the belief in the possibility of positive relationships.
* They are often direct, speak their mind and are honest. Many have a strong sense of social justice.
* Because they don’t mind being alone, they are often willing to engage in solitary work that others avoid, which puts them in the position of making tremendous contributions at work and school.
* They are able to comprehend multiple levels of meanings of words and ideas and can form connections that others miss.
* They are persistent, and when they set their minds to something or make a promise they can usually be trusted to follow through.
* A relationship with someone who has Aspergers tends to be free from bias and discrimination based on race, gender, age or other differences. They judge people based on their behavior not the color of their skin, socioeconomic status or political influence.
* They are not inclined to be bullies, con artists or social manipulators.
* “Most of the major advances in science and the arts have been made by people with Asperger’s”

One last comment. Asperger's syndrome is primarily genetic. So there is a chance that your children/grandchildren may also have the condition. So if you see signs that they may also possess these traits, this knowledge might give you insight to help them with tools, techniques to help them on their journey through life.

As an example, some of my grandchildren possess some of the traits. I bought them noise canceling headsets and weighted blankets which they dearly love.


Uhoh! Looking at that list, uhmmm. Well. Many of those aspects are me. Except that I do struggle to finish things. I am a great starter though. I often start many projects. I reach a certain point and I am so absorbed with new projects that I often leave other projects unfinished.


But what best to do with the origional reason to write this thread is that I honestly don't know. Is there a say of leaving information about autism around so he can "Discover" it so it is his "Idea" rather then yours?



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07 Dec 2019, 11:35 am

Hubby’s projects have cost many 10s of thousand of dollars over the years. Including a 1968 Volvo P 1800 in pieces in our garage that he insists he will finish one day and a fully functional 1967 :Mercedes that was a daily driver is being left to rust in the driveway because it needs a master brake cylinder. We have a $150 Fermentation crock that he used twice but will not let go. We got ONE $400 tomato from his self made hydroponics container on wheels which occupies our back lanai. He’s spent thousands on gardens but loses interest in maintaining them. The thrill for him is designing and building things HIS way, which is always the most expensive way. We lost over $500k (our retirement) on a business that he refused to listen to people in running and we lost it. It was a brilliant idea but his management was unrealistic. He has so much stuff that he occupies the entire two car garage, two sheds, a bedroom which serves as his office, the closet and under the bed area in our guest room and the area under our bed. I run a business out of my office and he begrudges me even 5 square feet in the garage. He is brutal that way. And of course, I give in because I can’t stand the pouting and anger which lasts for at least a week. It’s just easier to go make more $. I work on commission. The stress is monumental.



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07 Dec 2019, 11:44 am

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And of course, I give in because I can’t stand the pouting and anger which lasts for at least a week. It’s just easier to go make more $. I work on commission. The stress is monumental.

You've teached him he can make things his way by pouting and demanding.
So, you have a 72yo spoiled brat at home.
If you keep giving him more money "because it's easier", you're making things worse in the long run. I'm sure you see it.
Look up codependence issues.
Learn boundaries.


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07 Dec 2019, 12:08 pm

I hear you. This is of my own making, but that doesn’t make it any easier to deal with. I would LOVE to be someone’s princess for a change, instead of being Cinderella. But this is ‘t about me, it’s about him and how to make my marriage be less work.

In his own way, he does love me and tries to show it HIS way. He just has no concept of my love language. I thinks that’s his Aspergers showing.



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07 Dec 2019, 12:17 pm

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I hear you. This is of my own making, but that doesn’t make it any easier to deal with. I would LOVE to be someone’s princess for a change, instead of being Cinderella. But this is ‘t about me, it’s about him and how to make my marriage be less work.
I can't imagine reaching this goal without establishing firm boundaries.

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In his own way, he does love me and tries to show it HIS way. He just has no concept of my love language. I thinks that’s his Aspergers showing.
If Asperger's is the thing, then communication of your feelings and expectations needs to be clear and literal, otherwise he'll never know them.
We can't "read between the lines", we can't guess wishes, we often don't notice "the obvious". That's the Asperger part of things. Communication needs to be straightforward and literal.


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07 Dec 2019, 4:20 pm

Hi sidecarsmom, and welcome :) . In total agreeance with magz. If you want to be treated as you describe, you can certainly have that with an AS man, but your possibly AS husband, is highly unlikely to be THAT man. He sounds like an overgrown child. I couldn't tolerate it(I'm an AS female). If you love him, want to remain with him, then boundaries are essential. Changes need to be made, but this is made much more challenging by his already well-entrenched behaviours, which have been accommodated throughout your time together. Sincerely wish you well. You sound very well-intentioned and caring, but have been walked all over, for way too long.xx



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08 Dec 2019, 12:41 pm

Thank you for the support. I fear that your comments are quite true. I have to decide if this is what I want to live with for the rest of my life. Divorce is out of the question as there’s no way I can afford to live on my own a AND pay alimony which he will be entitled to since I have been the breadwinner for so long. A bed of my own making that I need to lie on now.

Just got him up, went out to breakfast and to the local green market. He had not ONE nice word to say about anything. Sad, isn’t it?



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08 Dec 2019, 12:50 pm

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Divorce is out of the question as there’s no way I can afford to live on my own a AND pay alimony which he will be entitled to since I have been the breadwinner for so long. A bed of my own making that I need to lie on now.

Under what legal system you have to pay alimony to a retired ex-husband?
(I'm not knowledgable on divorces so maybe you're right, I don't know)


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08 Dec 2019, 2:26 pm

Sidecarsmom wrote:
Thank you for the support. I fear that your comments are quite true. I have to decide if this is what I want to live with for the rest of my life. Divorce is out of the question as there’s no way I can afford to live on my own a AND pay alimony which he will be entitled to since I have been the breadwinner for so long. A bed of my own making that I need to lie on now.

Just got him up, went out to breakfast and to the local green market. He had not ONE nice word to say about anything. Sad, isn’t it?


Whatever you decide to do, I sincerely hope you can find a better life for you, as you've been quite selfless in your marriage, from the sounds of it. I've read your interests and note that you're also an animal rescuer type-person, as am I(in fact, we share an awful lot in common) if I may say. Regardless, just want you to know that some people almost need to give themselves permission to 'have a life', and allow themselves to find the love and respect they've always deserved, but has alluded them. I wish that for you. Take care.xx