Is Anyone Here 100% Or Close To 100% Autistic?
Tell us what you had for dinner. Was it good?
Have a dialogue. Don’t belittle people. You can’t expect folks to react well to someone who feels they are better than them....especially when there’s no concrete evidence...that they are better than them.
And only God capitalizes personal pronouns referring to Himself.
What did you have for dinner tonight?
That I understand and I do appreciate you attempting to cooperate. I realize that, but I find lt fun to do. Being who I am is more important than superficially pleasing strangers. If some people get offended by this, then that is a consequence I'll just have to put up with. Unless we're friends, I'm just not going to take your superficial criticism very seriously. Because lf I sell out, then what? Now I still have no friends & lost the one thing that was providing some sort of joy, being true to Myself. So I hope you can try to put yourself in My perspective. And I have not belittled anyone. I have said a multitude of times that I don't mean this as an insult. If anyone still chose to be offended after that, then I have done all I can do & lt's out of My hands. You can't choose to ignore warnings & then place blame.
Interesting question. I had My favorite food: Lipton Creamy Garlic Shells. Well, lt was My favorite, untill this whole curdling debacle began. I haven't been able to enjoy lt all year. What did you have?
I do have psychological issues. Autism is not one of them. Therapy is overpriced & only helpful to neurotypicals anyway. I'm not against the idea, but unless you want to hire one, lt's not going to happen. Autism is no more a disorder than neurotypicality (though some people on this site beg to differ). It is simply a different school of thought.
The list of people you gave, are people who might have had autism. And for every one of those people there are hundreds of autistics who do not come close to matching up with them. One can be autistic and be a genius. But that doesn't mean that being autistic makes one a genius. That's obvious because most aren't.
It is impossible to diagnose historic figures. One can not know know how they presented or what they thought throughout their lifetime especially in the earliest years. We suspect/diagnose autism of historical figures based on accounts of contemporaries describing what we know today to be autistic traits. Thing is those contemporaries 1. Had no idea a thing called Autism existed. 2. Used words that often had different meaning and context back then. The retro diagnosers fail to take into account that the contemporaries of the retro diagnosed often had different values systems they judged people by and that both the retro diagnosed and their contemporaries were dealing with a very different environment.
In short the major flaw with retro diagnosing is that it based on presentism.
Since NT’s are a vast majority of the population the odds are pretty good that some of them invented some things.
Let's not exaggerate here. It is improbable to properly diagnose historical figures. Can we know exactly how they thought? Surely not. But what they wrote down in private journals, what they told their confidants & simple anecdotal evidence of their behavior can give immense insight into their character. It may also be possible to perform a post-mortem neurological examination, which is a very effective method of determining psychological state.
The environment changes things, but not by much. If we have good insight as to how neurotypicals behaved during that period, then we know that one who deviates from that behavior is likely autistic. It's not simple, but not incredibly complicated either. Regardless of time period, there is a clear distinction between logic & emotion.
I did say that they have invented things. But they haven't invented much of significance & their ability to invent is based on mimicry. It does not come naturally. Or does lt? I got curious & did some research, which suggests that there is some infinitesimal ability to innovate. So lf autists never existed, neurotypical humans would have made some sort of progress. But keeping in mind the fact that our progress is built on the progress of other autistic great apes, this hypothetical scenario would set us back dozens of millennia. If we started from scratch, with only some ability to build nests, even given so much time I don't see us getting very far. Keep in mind that neurotypical innovation is based on mimicry & similarity. So videogames are never going to happen, as they aren't similar to anything from a pre-mammal world. And without autists, mimicry would be obsolete. NT's would probably improve upon the nest design somewhat, possibly creating shelters & buildings of a much cruder nature than today. I'm sure there would be a couple of other nuances, but is that really the world that you would want to live in? We'd still be cavemen.
@Kraftiekortie Yup, that's the one. Ah, to be alive in the 1970's. I used to put 1979 as My birth year on websites when I was young. I'd love to be a preteen during the 1990's. I only got five years out of them. But I also love the 1970's, very underrated decade. I'd love to go back to disco, early hip-hop, Atari, VHS, Halloween, big cars, life on the edge & sturdy technology. I was born really late & missed all of the fun, unfortunately.
I like some things about the 70s. Most of the things you described...like Atari, VHS, etc was more like features of the early 80s, though it had its origin in the 70s
I love the fact that I could get money out of the ATM; in the 70s, you had to carry around a “passbook,” and banks weren’t always open on weekends—so if you ran out of money on Friday, you were out of luck till Monday.
There were virtually no video games in the arcades until 1979. Pinball was the thing before then.
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I did not deny your autism by saying that. I have reason to doubt lt, but I make no claims. If you say you are, then you are. I'll leave lt at that. I don't like to get involved with what other people say they are, because lt's difficult to prove otherwise & they tend to get very emotional about lt. One can be autistic & neurotypical simultaneously. You exhibit MANY neurotypical tendencies, so even despite limited evidence, just based on what you have provided, there is a very high probability of you being highly neurotypical. I would be surprised lf lt turned out you aren't. And lf you truly consider autism crippling, then there is no reason to be offended by a neurotypicality accusation.
What you say about me also applies to you. You also display many neurotypical tendencies. More so than anyone else in this thread actually. You accuse others of being emotional and offended when you are the only one acting acting emotional and expressing being offended. That's called projection. You exhibit a lot of psychological defense and coping mechanisms.
@Kraftiekortie I actually still own an Atari 2600, as well as a VCR & a Walkman. I have a pretty big collection of 2600 games & VHS tapes. I'd consider Atari more 1970's beause lt was virtually dead by 1983 (the Videogame Crash). Video Olympics, Video Pinball, Space War, all 70's classics. VHS (along with Betamax & LazerDisc, to a smaller degree) remained popular through the 70's, 80's & 90's before dying out in 2005. I remember Finding Nemo being the last tape I ever bought. Then everything was DVD. But to this day I prefer tapes & cartridges over flimsy discs.
The bank thing is inconvenient, but not everything was better in the past. There are ofcourse some trade-offs. I still think lt would be worth lt to go back with a DeLorean DMC-12. I take lt you're more of a 1980's fan.
I prefer current technology myself. It is what has allowed me to break free of my autistic bonds and have a voice so to speak. But if there is an alternate world where current tech exists in the 70's, I might want to live in it.
The bank thing is inconvenient, but not everything was better in the past. There are ofcourse some trade-offs. I still think lt would be worth lt to go back with a DeLorean DMC-12. I take lt you're more of a 1980's fan.
What about music? I mostly listen to 70's music. Mostly 70's rock, but I also like the pop and disco. I like anything from Led Zeppelin to Pink Floyd to the Bee Gees.
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Nope. I’m actually more of a fan of the 70s.
Atari was around about ‘78-79....but it didn’t proliferate until ‘79. The old-time arcade video games remained popular until the mid 80s. Then games in the home predominated.
VCRs didn’t enter the mainstream until ‘82 or so. Betamax was the thing in the late 70s. Not many people had them, though. Rather like TV about 1948, rather like the Internet about 1990. One person on the block had them.
Betamaxes weighed 40 lbs, and cost $2,000 circa ‘77. They were massive machines. VHS replaced Betamaxes. Cost circa $400 by ‘82.
The big year for proliferation of the Internet was 1995. With Windows 95.
I did not deny your autism by saying that. I have reason to doubt lt, but I make no claims. If you say you are, then you are. I'll leave lt at that. I don't like to get involved with what other people say they are, because lt's difficult to prove otherwise & they tend to get very emotional about lt. One can be autistic & neurotypical simultaneously. You exhibit MANY neurotypical tendencies, so even despite limited evidence, just based on what you have provided, there is a very high probability of you being highly neurotypical. I would be surprised lf lt turned out you aren't. And lf you truly consider autism crippling, then there is no reason to be offended by a neurotypicality accusation.
What you say about me also applies to you. You also display many neurotypical tendencies. More so than anyone else in this thread actually. You accuse others of being emotional and offended when you are the only one acting acting emotional and expressing being offended. That's called projection. You exhibit a lot of psychological defense and coping mechanisms.
I'm sure they come off that way to you, but as I said, they are only due to OCD. I know you'd like to even the playing field by suggesting you're not the only one being emotional, but I don't know what else to tell you, I'm not. If I were, there wouldn't be anything to deny, because lt would be plain as day. I'm never subtle when emotional. To do so would defy OCD, as I would be acting different than I feel. The only projection going on here is you in that very paragraph. Yes, I exhibit a lot of coping mechanisms, but that has nothing to do with neurotypicality. Autists also exhibit coping mechanisms & lt is because of these coping mechanisms that autism is incorrectly seen as a disorder.
I'm glad you were able to find your voice. Modern tech certainly has lts merits. I would probably use current knowledge to place bets & win a lot of money, then buy a computer & chat over Usenet or the ARPANET, both of which were fairly common at the time, although Usenet was more known in the 1980's. I think the old tech is part of the charm, but yeah, even just revisiting music, movies & fashion would be amazing.
They were common among advanced technology types. Not regular folks.
Typewriters were still popular in the early 80s. Some people still had rotary phones (what we called “dial phones”). Many phone booths were still rotary. Until about ‘82, people still rented phones from the phone company, and the phone company installed the phone.
Most people still bought vinyl records in the early 80s, though there was a sharp decline in the mid 80s.
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