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21 Nov 2019, 12:13 am

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@EzraS I'm asking why, in your mind, you cannot. What would happen lf you tried to make eye contact while talking?


I can force myself yo make eye contact and I can force myself to talk. But neither comes naturally to me. Although when I say talk I mean I can say words. I can't hold a regular conversation. Because my brain isn't wired for it. It's like some people can learn to play the piano and some can never get the hang of it.

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I see you share the sentiment that Naturalplastic believes. But as I was telling him (her?), there is no foundation for this belief. I am not less autistic than an LFA. Equating functionality with degree is a logical fallacy. To suggest that an LFA is more autistic than an HFA is to suggest that the state of being autistic is a disorder and that the higher the person functions, the less autistic (and by association, more neurotypical), they become. There are numerous plot holes in this script. Perpetuating the dying myth that autism is a disorder is a dangerous act. You may have let the world defeat you, but give other people a chance at life. Your entire theory is ruined by My mere existence. By being an HFA, I should be close to NT by your reasoning. However, that could not be further from the truth. As I said, I am treated as though I am of an entirely different species. I have nothing in common with neurotypicals other than being human. Yet, I am high-functioning. To be autistic is not to be non-verbal. Yes, we're less likely to communicate, for a variety of reasons, but we do not have an inability to do so. Before I turned 3, I did not speak because I had nothing to talk about. Not much changed at 3, so I still barely talked. Hell, today I barely talk. But I'm not non-verbal. I simply see no reason to expend energy speaking when there are no benefits. There is a small correlation, but one should not judge how autistic someone is by individual traits. That's like judging how neurotypical someone is by how much of a jerk they are. Obviously some are less than others, with limited correlation to degree of neurotypicality.


I often find that HFA's talk a lot about NT's and how NT's operate and why they can't get along with them. However usually HFA's have had very limited real life interactions with other autistics. A lot of the NT's this and NT's that I hear, also applies to autistics. I know that because I spent my entire education with autistics in private special ed schools. I have been around many more autistics on a daily basis than NT's throughout my life. From my perspective to be honest I did not experience there being much difference between HFA's and NT's. I got teased and bullied by HFA's and I and others like me with significant autism were outsiders among them.

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Autism is not only the next step in evolution, lt is long past due. The neocortex evolved about seventy five millennia ago & scientists have found autistic genes in DNA dating back at least three millennia. Dozens of other mammals have been discoverred to have some autistic members. You can deny lt all you want, but this is what evolution has been pushing us toward. All mistakes in evolution are filterred out. If autism was a mistake, lt would have been eradicated by now. It is not a disorder, by definition. The world you are in has been built on autistic inventions & discoveries. If you're suggesting that lt is a disorder, then you are suggesting that a world without Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Nikola Tesla, Sir Isaac Newton, Thomas Jefferson, Nicholas Cugnot, the Banu Musa brothers, Felix Nadar, Ralph Baer & John Logie Baird, plus many others, would be better. I have to disagree. If autism never evolved, we would still be running around the wild naked & struggling to survive. Neurotypicals can learn, but they cannot innovate. Well, they can to a tiny degree. Birds were left to their own devices for 150 millennia & aside from Alex, their only innovation is building nests from twigs. I prefer media, transportation & comfortable housing over twig nests.

I do have psychological issues. Autism is not one of them. Therapy is overpriced & only helpful to neurotypicals anyway. I'm not against the idea, but unless you want to hire one, lt's not going to happen. Autism is no more a disorder than neurotypicality (though some people on this site beg to differ). It is simply a different school of thought.


The list of people you gave, are people who might have had autism. And for every one of those people there are hundreds of autistics who do not come close to matching up with them. One can be autistic and be a genius. But that doesn't mean that being autistic makes one a genius. That's obvious because most aren't.

What you are presenting is a different school of thought that has no scientific backing. You can present your conclusions, but can you present any empirical evidence that your conclusions are anything more than stuff that's been made up?

As for you personally, what evidence is there that you are a 'human 2.0 better than everyone else', beyond subjective appraisals in which you compare how you view yourself to how you view others?



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21 Nov 2019, 12:35 am

@EzraS Post 1| I missed the second part of your reply. So, you're assuming that I go around like a flat-earther saying that I'm better & that I am human 2.0 simply because you saw lt here. This is not the case. As I mentioned earlier, I know better than to talk about this stuff unless lt comes up in conversation, in which case all bets are off because I hate lying. It's a perfectly valid assumption, but I talk about these sorts of things so insanely infrequently that I can safely eliminate lt as a potential factor. I do alienate Myself to a degree, hardly enough to make any discernible difference though.

I have had many years to ponder the problem & I am sure by now that I have coverred every loose end. I know why I'm hated, but there is little I can do to change that. I cannot stop being autistic, lt is not a switch I can flip at will. If I could, you bet I wouldn't. It is who I am & there is nothing worth losing Myself over. It all comes down to what I know I am in desperate need of. And that is social contact. I have done all of the logistics, but no amount of thought is going to give Me friends. Friendship is the missing constant. After many failed friendships, I figure the best way to go about this is to find someone autistic enough to honor friendships & commitments. I know I'm not the only one who does.


Post 2| Ah, that I understand. I feel the same way, though not about the eye contact. I never understood why people have trouble with that one, but that's just a personal difference.

You are correct, but this actually corroborates My original post. Some people are more autistic than others, but most are still very neurotypical, hence why they engaged in bullying in both of our experience. And no, before you start drawing sticks in the sand, I am not suggesting that every neurotypical is a bigot.

I realize that not every autist is a genius. However, every genius, for the most part, is autistic. As I previously explained, the limbicortex has not brought about significant change in lts 150 millennia of existence, as evolutionary history proves. A neurotypical can be a genius, in the same way that a cat can play the piano. Possible, but improbable.

Absolutely. I can prove every statement that I have made. I back up all information with factual research & personal experience. I was supposed to start going to sleep a little while ago, so we'll continue this tomorrow. You didn't specify what fact you want proven & I haven't found anything in the corresponding paragraph that I believe you would question. But yeah, I will prove that fact & any other you want checked, as well as My personal claims (though I'm afraid I'll have to provide further evidence that you might consider subjective, unless you should happen to have a better idea of how I could prove lt) when I am available tomorrow.



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21 Nov 2019, 1:20 am

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@EzraS Post 1| I missed the second part of your reply. So, you're assuming that I go around like a flat-earther saying that I'm better & that I am human 2.0 simply because you saw lt here. This is not the case. As I mentioned earlier, I know better than to talk about this stuff unless lt comes up in conversation, in which case all bets are off because I hate lying. It's a perfectly valid assumption, but I talk about these sorts of things so insanely infrequently that I can safely eliminate lt as a potential factor. I do alienate Myself to a degree, hardly enough to make any discernible difference though.

I have had many years to ponder the problem & I am sure by now that I have coverred every loose end. I know why I'm hated, but there is little I can do to change that. I cannot stop being autistic, lt is not a switch I can flip at will. If I could, you bet I wouldn't. It is who I am & there is nothing worth losing Myself over. It all comes down to what I know I am in desperate need of. And that is social contact. I have done all of the logistics, but no amount of thought is going to give Me friends. Friendship is the missing constant. After many failed friendships, I figure the best way to go about this is to find someone autistic enough to honor friendships & commitments. I know I'm not the only one who does.


You don't have to come out and directly say you think you are human 2.0 better than everyone else, to put out a negative "vibe". There are those who decide that the reason why they cannot get along with others is because they are too extra special too gifted. Sometimes they are even told that be someone, like their mother. "They don't like you because you are so much better than they are". And or "they are all just jealous of you". Or words to that effect. When in truth that person is simply not likable. Maybe they are too anal retentive. Maybe they communicate in a way that is off putting. Maybe they only talk at people instead of talking with them. In other words not actually interacting. Maybe they mainly talk about themselves and or only talk about what they are interested in and others end up just being their sounding boards. There are lots of ways a person can alienate themselves and in ways that pertain to both autistics and NT's. There are also many NT's who are lonely and unliked because of behavior issues and or personality flaws.

Most of the difficulties HFA's talk about having relates to socializing. There are a lot of articles on WP that do not pretain to me because I am not an "aspie". Something like eye contact is least of my problems. And it's not just lack of eye contact. I don't look at people at all for the most part when they are talking to me. But even that is a minimal problem for me. My greater degree of autism makes me a significant special needs person. Most everyone I know who has a significant degree of autism is special needs and requires significant support. Put simply in many ways I have to be looked after as if I were a 5 year old. I can not take care of myself. I have to be looked after. When no one is at home I have to go to adult daycare. I am planning on moving into a care home because there is no way that I can survive independently. Usually the more autistic someone is, the more disabled they are.

The reason why autism is not a disability to you is because you are mildly autistic.


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Post 2| Ah, that I understand. I feel the same way, though not about the eye contact. I never understood why people have trouble with that one, but that's just a personal difference.

You are correct, but this actually corroborates My original post. Some people are more autistic than others, but most are still very neurotypical, hence why they engaged in bullying in both of our experience. And no, before you start drawing sticks in the sand, I am not suggesting that every neurotypical is a bigot.

I realize that not every autist is a genius. However, every genius, for the most part, is autistic. As I previously explained, the limbicortex has not brought about significant change in lts 150 millennia of existence, as evolutionary history proves. A neurotypical can be a genius, in the same way that a cat can play the piano. Possible, but improbable.

Absolutely. I can prove every statement that I have made. I back up all information with factual research & personal experience. I was supposed to start going to sleep a little while ago, so we'll continue this tomorrow. You didn't specify what fact you want proven & I haven't found anything in the corresponding paragraph that I believe you would question. But yeah, I will prove that fact & any other you want checked, as well as My personal claims (though I'm afraid I'll have to provide further evidence that you might consider subjective, unless you should happen to have a better idea of how I could prove lt) when I am available tomorrow.


The claim that every genius is autistic is nonsense. What I usually see is a list of dead innovators who have been armchair diagnosed as autistic by non-experts who never met them. The pseudo-diagnosis are usually based on a layperson's analysis of anecdotal evedence.

So how about current or relatively current recognized geniuses? How many of them have been diagnosed with autism? My guess is not many.

You have made a lot of claims in your overall posts regarding neurology, so start there. Cite the studies that corroborate what you are saying. Just like a school assignment or writing out a Wikipedia article would require. You're the 2.0 superior human so I really should not have to explain to you what a person required to provide regarding scientific evidence.

As for personal evidence of you being a 2.0 human, what are your stats? What's your IQ, what are your academic achievements, what are your vocational achievements etc?



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21 Nov 2019, 6:45 am

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I was just expressing what seemed to be the case on the evidence he provided . A really intelligent person would see there was no baiting involved .


I've read enough of your posts to realize you weren't intentionally provoking OP



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21 Nov 2019, 7:51 am

I was worried about the state of his mental health.



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21 Nov 2019, 8:21 am

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I was worried about the state of his mental health.


That's certainly perfectly understandable.



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21 Nov 2019, 8:34 am

So OP it looks like really the bottom line is that you are lonely and need to find another 2.0. And you're in luck because I'm pretty sure at least a couple have posted to WP before. Provided of course they were not you using different accounts.

All you have to do is a little digging and you should be able to find their posts. I'd suggest serching my posting history for the word "evolution" as one method.

I myself have no need or interest in social interaction. To me it's a chore to be around others. I have to put everything on hold until the session is over with.

Also I'm not all that interested in myself. I don't relate much to all the "me" threads people post. I'm alive, don't have any serious illness, am able to be left alone enough to do what I want most of the time. So that's all that matters. That's why I rarely talk about myself unprompted.

I'm kinda surprised a 2.0 isn't more like me along those lines.



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21 Nov 2019, 8:50 am

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You're very astute, so I imagine you sometimes look too' deep & see things that are not there. I did recognize lt as a potential bait attempt, but like I said, that doesn't phase Me, so by nature, I cannot fall for lt. Anyway, he said himself that he was being sincere, not trolling.

You did fall for it, but not because you didn't recognize it as a potential bait attempt. Firemonkey didn't mean it as bait, but you responded to it exactly as if you had been provoked. Whether it was intentional baiting or not isn't the point, whether you are willing to admit you were upset by it and lost control isn't the point either. Astute or not, I don't believe I'm seeing things that aren't there, because you said yourself:
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There is nothing that I despise more than ignoring, there is nothing that causes Me more pain. But that doesn't stop everyone from doing so.
Why do you give so much control away to other people? Most 1st generation humans (yes, those inferior Human 1.0 types), whether smart or dumb will intuitively identify your desperate neediness for attention very quickly, and a predator will be able to exploit that weakness and make you suffer. When other people know that they posses what what you desperately need- their attention, they can hold you to ransom. They can punish you effortlessly by simply ignoring you. They can make you respond by saying something provocative. You are clearly an intelligent and articulate person, so why be a puppet on a string. Being a puppet controlled by others is a miserable way to live.



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21 Nov 2019, 9:01 am

Interesting. I don't care about getting attention from others either. I really only post because it's an activity I like doing.



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21 Nov 2019, 11:37 am

@EzraS Post1| I felt that lt is necessary for My goal, as I do not want to attract more incompatible people who will not honor a friendship. I figure that lf a similar person exists, they would see the post & instantly identify with what I'm saying. When posted on Reddit looking for friends, I made no mention of any of this. I basically said that I'm lonely, a nice person & looking for good friends. Unlike someone who seeks attention, I do not feel a need to prove who I am to everyone I meet. I'm not parcticularly concerned with what they think. Everyone (except for some extreme cases) gets along with Me flawlessly. I'm told I'm a good listener, I'm nice, I'm smart, I'm there for others, I'm generous & that I really care. These are all things that I have heard from numerous sources, including My enemies. So lt all comes down to the fact that I am autistic & they are not. I am completely foreign to them.

But what is your proof that they have a significant degree of autism? You talk about proof as though lt's first nature, but not one person, including you, has cited a single source. I'm going to take a leap in logic here. You say you have the functionality of a toddler, but you have an above-average understanding of the language & thus far have managed to hold a conversation. So I can't help but wonder lf maybe you're a victim of placebo effect. The only issue that you have cited is a lack of initiative for socialization, which does not suggest reduced functionality. By any chance, has anyone in your life ever told you that you're lesser than them, whether directly or indirectly? Has anyone ever told you that autism is a disorder & that you need help? You got this idea from somewhere.

If all HFA's are more or less equal on the autistic hierarchy according to your model, then why do I struggle significantly more? I've been told I have mild OCD, mild ADD, mild ADHD & mild Tourette's Syndrome. I have NEVER bee told that I am mildly autistic. This is the first time. Actual physicians & even some non-physicians have diagnosed Me as autistic, not mildly so. Every diagnosis has suggested extreme social struggling, consistent with My 99% claim. They don't officially use percentages, but lf I were mildly autistic, then I would be diagnosed as such.

That's a pretty valid point. But lf you think about lt, there is little difference in procedure between a diagnosis made in person & a post-mortem diagnosis. There is a fairly universal set of characteristics that autists share; & these traits have actually been examined by historical geniuses. By the way, Stephen Hawking is still living.

I'm having trouble finding a comprehensive list of modern autistic geniuses, due to the fact that autistic diagnoses only spiked within the last decade. Here is a report that suggests a link between autism & intelligence: https://nypost.com/2016/03/13/theres-a- ... nd-genius/ . Here is a better one: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... es/406180/ . Most people who are diagnosed are either very young or very dead. But lack of diagnosis in the last century should not be taken as evidence that there is no link between autism & intellect. It was simply under-researched.

That's unnecessarily hostile. If I recall correctly, I was the first to ask for evidence, that you have still yet to provide. You act like I came here to prove a point, when I reality, I came here for friendship. This is not a research paper, so evidence is only necessary upon request. Again, I'm not trying to prove anything, I am simply responding to your questions & statements. You're asking for a lot of evidence & I don't have a lot of time, so we'll return to this.

I tried taking the Wechsler IQ test, but lt judges by response time. My response time is slow, so lt came up with 107-114. This is inaccurate. I'll try one without a timer when I have time. Academic achievements have little to do with IQ, but I passed My driving exam & My GED exam on My first try without studying at all. I also regularly ace tests in college, as I also did in school. I also hold the highest record in the Applebee's trivia game (competing with other people in the restaurant). It's a neurotypical world, so My ability to achieve vocationally is severely limited by incompatibility with the system. Don't take this to mean that I am incorrect. All this means is that your methods of gauging intellect are either inaccurate or inapplicable given the circumstances.

I'm in college at the moment, so I'll give you a more accurate response later.

Post 2| I just signed up recently on a whim. That's a good idea. Though a person claiming to be a 2.0 is not necessarily a 2.0.

I agree. However, I think lt's a priviledged thing to say you have no need for social interaction. You likely receive significantly more social interaction than I do, so lt's kind of like an obese person saying they have no need for food. Everyone needs social interaction. The more one has, the less one needs.

You claim to be crippled by LFA, but not have serious illness. Well, which is lt? Are you fortunate or unfortunate? It seems to Me (and yes, I'm grasping at straws, making judgements based on little information) that you are more neurotypical than autistic. Your concept of low functionality is a result of placebo effect from your peers. You have a neurotypical need to internalize social information, so you have essentially let yourself become an LFA to some degree. Nothing you have said thus far came across as very autistic. What is your diagnosis?



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21 Nov 2019, 11:50 am

@Aquafelix The definition of the phrase, 'fall for', is to believe something without reservation. Like I said, I considered the possibility that I was being baited, so that would be reservation. I'm not sure why you believe I was provoked. I politely & meticulously explained why I disagree with Firemonkey's assessments. For some people, this may be an indication of provocation, but I am naturally this way. I cannot admit to something that is not true. I assure you that I was not upset for a moment. The only thing thus far that has bothered Me even remotely is the belief that Naturalplastic & EzraS share about autism being a disorder. This is not true & this sort of thinking is very dangerous for autists, who are just starting to become less antagonized by society. Despite this, lt has had no effect on how I replied to them. I have replied to every person thus far as lf I were talking to a friend.

What can I do? Human 2.0 is still human. I can survive without social contact, but I still long for lt. It's an empty hole that requires filling. Once again you are making the mistake that how I came across in the original post is how I normally behave. Although lt's not altogether unlikely that they can detect My need for attention, lt certainly isn't near the level you think. Anyway, lf I find a similar person, that person would have no desire to provoke or hold ransom. The need is good in a way. It filters out undesirable fairweather friends.



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21 Nov 2019, 1:10 pm

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@EzraS Post1| I felt that lt is necessary for My goal, as I do not want to attract more incompatible people who will not honor a friendship. I figure that lf a similar person exists, they would see the post & instantly identify with what I'm saying. When posted on Reddit looking for friends, I made no mention of any of this. I basically said that I'm lonely, a nice person & looking for good friends. Unlike someone who seeks attention, I do not feel a need to prove who I am to everyone I meet. I'm not parcticularly concerned with what they think. Everyone (except for some extreme cases) gets along with Me flawlessly. I'm told I'm a good listener, I'm nice, I'm smart, I'm there for others, I'm generous & that I really care. These are all things that I have heard from numerous sources, including My enemies. So lt all comes down to the fact that I am autistic & they are not. I am completely foreign to them.

But what is your proof that they have a significant degree of autism? You talk about proof as though lt's first nature, but not one person, including you, has cited a single source. I'm going to take a leap in logic here. You say you have the functionality of a toddler, but you have an above-average understanding of the language & thus far have managed to hold a conversation. So I can't help but wonder lf maybe you're a victim of placebo effect. The only issue that you have cited is a lack of initiative for socialization, which does not suggest reduced functionality. By any chance, has anyone in your life ever told you that you're lesser than them, whether directly or indirectly? Has anyone ever told you that autism is a disorder & that you need help? You got this idea from somewhere.

If all HFA's are more or less equal on the autistic hierarchy according to your model, then why do I struggle significantly more? I've been told I have mild OCD, mild ADD, mild ADHD & mild Tourette's Syndrome. I have NEVER bee told that I am mildly autistic. This is the first time. Actual physicians & even some non-physicians have diagnosed Me as autistic, not mildly so. Every diagnosis has suggested extreme social struggling, consistent with My 99% claim. They don't officially use percentages, but lf I were mildly autistic, then I would be diagnosed as such.

That's a pretty valid point. But lf you think about lt, there is little difference in procedure between a diagnosis made in person & a post-mortem diagnosis. There is a fairly universal set of characteristics that autists share; & these traits have actually been examined by historical geniuses. By the way, Stephen Hawking is still living.

I'm having trouble finding a comprehensive list of modern autistic geniuses, due to the fact that autistic diagnoses only spiked within the last decade. Here is a report that suggests a link between autism & intelligence: https://nypost.com/2016/03/13/theres-a- ... nd-genius/ . Here is a better one: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... es/406180/ . Most people who are diagnosed are either very young or very dead. But lack of diagnosis in the last century should not be taken as evidence that there is no link between autism & intellect. It was simply under-researched.

That's unnecessarily hostile. If I recall correctly, I was the first to ask for evidence, that you have still yet to provide. You act like I came here to prove a point, when I reality, I came here for friendship. This is not a research paper, so evidence is only necessary upon request. Again, I'm not trying to prove anything, I am simply responding to your questions & statements. You're asking for a lot of evidence & I don't have a lot of time, so we'll return to this.

I tried taking the Wechsler IQ test, but lt judges by response time. My response time is slow, so lt came up with 107-114. This is inaccurate. I'll try one without a timer when I have time. Academic achievements have little to do with IQ, but I passed My driving exam & My GED exam on My first try without studying at all. I also regularly ace tests in college, as I also did in school. I also hold the highest record in the Applebee's trivia game (competing with other people in the restaurant). It's a neurotypical world, so My ability to achieve vocationally is severely limited by incompatibility with the system. Don't take this to mean that I am incorrect. All this means is that your methods of gauging intellect are either inaccurate or inapplicable given the circumstances.

I'm in college at the moment, so I'll give you a more accurate response later.

Post 2| I just signed up recently on a whim. That's a good idea. Though a person claiming to be a 2.0 is not necessarily a 2.0.

I agree. However, I think lt's a priviledged thing to say you have no need for social interaction. You likely receive significantly more social interaction than I do, so lt's kind of like an obese person saying they have no need for food. Everyone needs social interaction. The more one has, the less one needs.

You claim to be crippled by LFA, but not have serious illness. Well, which is lt? Are you fortunate or unfortunate? It seems to Me (and yes, I'm grasping at straws, making judgements based on little information) that you are more neurotypical than autistic. Your concept of low functionality is a result of placebo effect from your peers. You have a neurotypical need to internalize social information, so you have essentially let yourself become an LFA to some degree. Nothing you have said thus far came across as very autistic. What is your diagnosis?


It takes me a while to fully absorb long posts, make sure I am reading everything right. But I want to jot off a couple of things first.

I was diagnosed as level severely autistic a couple of months before I turned 3. My autistic traits were in full force from a few months age, so it's not something that I could have been influenced into. I remained severely autistic until the age of 8 when I began becoming responsive and saying single syllable words like "eat" and "no!". As I progressed I was eventually "upgraded" to level 2 moderate/severe. This was attributed to developmental delay.

Saying I need to be looked after like a 5 year old was just an off hand comment. But I do require guardianship. I am what they call a flight risk and I get lost very easily. I also have trouble with spacial awareness and taking in my overall surroundings. There is a likelihood that I would be so preoccupied that I would step out into traffic. Which I have come close to doing a few times, but there is always someone with me when I am outdoors to prevent that.

This video is a good demonstration of what significant to severe autism is like. Carly Fleischmann is a great example of how someone can be intelligent and write well but also be severely impaired by autism. A thing to note in my case is it took me a long time to write this out. I type 8 to 10 words per minute and often have to take pauses while typing.



Here's another good one.



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@EzraS Post1| I felt that lt is necessary for My goal, as I do not want to attract more incompatible people who will not honor a friendship. I figure that lf a similar person exists, they would see the post & instantly identify with what I'm saying. When posted on Reddit looking for friends, I made no mention of any of this. I basically said that I'm lonely, a nice person & looking for good friends. Unlike someone who seeks attention, I do not feel a need to prove who I am to everyone I meet. I'm not parcticularly concerned with what they think. Everyone (except for some extreme cases) gets along with Me flawlessly. I'm told I'm a good listener, I'm nice, I'm smart, I'm there for others, I'm generous & that I really care. These are all things that I have heard from numerous sources, including My enemies. So lt all comes down to the fact that I am autistic & they are not. I am completely foreign to them.

But what is your proof that they have a significant degree of autism? You talk about proof as though lt's first nature, but not one person, including you, has cited a single source. I'm going to take a leap in logic here. You say you have the functionality of a toddler, but you have an above-average understanding of the language & thus far have managed to hold a conversation. So I can't help but wonder lf maybe you're a victim of placebo effect. The only issue that you have cited is a lack of initiative for socialization, which does not suggest reduced functionality. By any chance, has anyone in your life ever told you that you're lesser than them, whether directly or indirectly? Has anyone ever told you that autism is a disorder & that you need help? You got this idea from somewhere.

If all HFA's are more or less equal on the autistic hierarchy according to your model, then why do I struggle significantly more? I've been told I have mild OCD, mild ADD, mild ADHD & mild Tourette's Syndrome. I have NEVER bee told that I am mildly autistic. This is the first time. Actual physicians & even some non-physicians have diagnosed Me as autistic, not mildly so. Every diagnosis has suggested extreme social struggling, consistent with My 99% claim. They don't officially use percentages, but lf I were mildly autistic, then I would be diagnosed as such.

That's a pretty valid point. But lf you think about lt, there is little difference in procedure between a diagnosis made in person & a post-mortem diagnosis. There is a fairly universal set of characteristics that autists share; & these traits have actually been examined by historical geniuses. By the way, Stephen Hawking is still living.

I'm having trouble finding a comprehensive list of modern autistic geniuses, due to the fact that autistic diagnoses only spiked within the last decade. Here is a report that suggests a link between autism & intelligence: https://nypost.com/2016/03/13/theres-a- ... nd-genius/ . Here is a better one: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... es/406180/ . Most people who are diagnosed are either very young or very dead. But lack of diagnosis in the last century should not be taken as evidence that there is no link between autism & intellect. It was simply under-researched.

That's unnecessarily hostile. If I recall correctly, I was the first to ask for evidence, that you have still yet to provide. You act like I came here to prove a point, when I reality, I came here for friendship. This is not a research paper, so evidence is only necessary upon request. Again, I'm not trying to prove anything, I am simply responding to your questions & statements. You're asking for a lot of evidence & I don't have a lot of time, so we'll return to this.

I tried taking the Wechsler IQ test, but lt judges by response time. My response time is slow, so lt came up with 107-114. This is inaccurate. I'll try one without a timer when I have time.

I



Are you talking about https://wechsleriqtest.com/50-question-iq-test/ ?


Yes it is .


Mine

Results

You scored 45 of a possible 50 points, (90%)
Average score
51.32%
Your score
90%


Your IQ is Between 135 and 158


I'm human 3.0 ;) . With my ineptitude more like human 0.75.



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But what is your proof that they have a significant degree of autism? You talk about proof as though lt's first nature, but not one person, including you, has cited a single source. I'm going to take a leap in logic here. You say you have the functionality of a toddler, but you have an above-average understanding of the language & thus far have managed to hold a conversation. So I can't help but wonder lf maybe you're a victim of placebo effect. The only issue that you have cited is a lack of initiative for socialization, which does not suggest reduced functionality. By any chance, has anyone in your life ever told you that you're lesser than them, whether directly or indirectly? Has anyone ever told you that autism is a disorder & that you need help? You got this idea from somewhere.


I am not making any uncommon statements. No one on WP in the 6 years I have been posting has ever asked me what the hell I'm talking about or had any problem accepting what I have said about my experiences with autism. Because like I said there is nothing uncommon about it.

Nothing anyone else has said in this thread was uncommon either nor did they make any kinds of extraordinary claims or statements. I mean if one knows about autism then they already know that.

You otoh went into a very lengthy and complicated atypical deal about autism being the next step in evolution and that you are a superhuman. And all kinds of stuff involving neurology and so on. Basically saying you know what autism is all about compared to established knowledge which has it all wrong or something like that.

So of course when you go into such a long lecture about all that kind of stuff, people are going to challenge it.

Your_Boy wrote:
If all HFA's are more or less equal on the autistic hierarchy according to your model, then why do I struggle significantly more? I've been told I have mild OCD, mild ADD, mild ADHD & mild Tourette's Syndrome. I have NEVER bee told that I am mildly autistic. This is the first time. Actual physicians & even some non-physicians have diagnosed Me as autistic, not mildly so. Every diagnosis has suggested extreme social struggling, consistent with My 99% claim. They don't officially use percentages, but lf I were mildly autistic, then I would be diagnosed as such.


Well no one is completely equal so to speak. the saying around here is 'if you've met one autistic, you've met one autistic'. I thought you said you were HFA. Usually when someone is diagnosed they are diagnosed level 1 (HFA / Aspergers), level 2 moderate and Level 3 severe. Usually level 2 and especially level 3 is diagnosed at an early age. Many HFA who have posted to WP have talked about extreme difficulties in socializing. Along with having comorbids such as anxiety, depression, OCD, ADD, ADHD, Tourette's etc. So what you have said about yourself in the paragraph above is quite common.

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That's a pretty valid point. But lf you think about lt, there is little difference in procedure between a diagnosis made in person & a post-mortem diagnosis. There is a fairly universal set of characteristics that autists share; & these traits have actually been examined by historical geniuses. By the way, Stephen Hawking is still living.


Hawking died March 14, 2018. And with all the neurological testing likely done throughout his life regarding his ALS, it seems likely to me they would have picked up on him having autism.

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I'm having trouble finding a comprehensive list of modern autistic geniuses, due to the fact that autistic diagnoses only spiked within the last decade. Here is a report that suggests a link between autism & intelligence: https://nypost.com/2016/03/13/theres-a- ... nd-genius/ . Here is a better one: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... es/406180/ . Most people who are diagnosed are either very young or very dead. But lack of diagnosis in the last century should not be taken as evidence that there is no link between autism & intellect. It was simply under-researched.


I'll pick though what's in those links later. But I doubt that your every genius is autistic claim is valid. But that's just my opinion at this time.

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That's unnecessarily hostile. If I recall correctly, I was the first to ask for evidence, that you have still yet to provide. You act like I came here to prove a point, when I reality, I came here for friendship. This is not a research paper, so evidence is only necessary upon request. Again, I'm not trying to prove anything, I am simply responding to your questions & statements. You're asking for a lot of evidence & I don't have a lot of time, so we'll return to this.


Fair enough. But you have made controversial and or extraordinary statements. I don't know what you are asking evidence for regarding others in this thread, because I have not read anything from them that I'm not already familiar with because it's common knowledge stuff. Nothing uncommon, controversial or extraordinary.

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I tried taking the Wechsler IQ test, but lt judges by response time. My response time is slow, so lt came up with 107-114. This is inaccurate. I'll try one without a timer when I have time. Academic achievements have little to do with IQ, but I passed My driving exam & My GED exam on My first try without studying at all. I also regularly ace tests in college, as I also did in school. I also hold the highest record in the Applebee's trivia game (competing with other people in the restaurant). It's a neurotypical world, so My ability to achieve vocationally is severely limited by incompatibility with the system. Don't take this to mean that I am incorrect. All this means is that your methods of gauging intellect are either inaccurate or inapplicable given the circumstances.

I'm in college at the moment, so I'll give you a more accurate response later.


I'm just saying that if a person is a 2.0 human better than everyone else, it seems natural to presume he has excelled better than everyone else. That he stands way out from the crowd. I mean there's a current article somewhere on WP about a 9 year old who just graduated university. If you're better than everyone else, you should be better than him. Right? Idk.

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Post 2| I just signed up recently on a whim. That's a good idea. Though a person claiming to be a 2.0 is not necessarily a 2.0.

I agree. However, I think lt's a priviledged thing to say you have no need for social interaction. You likely receive significantly more social interaction than I do, so lt's kind of like an obese person saying they have no need for food. Everyone needs social interaction. The more one has, the less one needs.


I am alone in my room most of the time. Basically a shut-in. Plus as a result of my autism I am not equipped with the need for social interaction chip so to speak. Many others on WP have said the same regarding little to no need or desire for it. Keep in mind that I have been reading oodles of posts from autistics for over 6 years.



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21 Nov 2019, 5:26 pm

Based on Asperger's alone I guess I'd be assessed as mild using the DSM 5 levels system . Nevertheless I make very little effort to socialise beyond my family when I see them , and my stepdaughter,granddaughters and gt granddaughter.
I find interacting beyond family/stepfamily hard which is why I'm bricking it,as mentioned in an earlier post, at the thought of interacting with a larger circle of people . I spend a lot of time indoors , and don't go out much .

I've always been this way. Much more of a person for solitary activities than my brother and sister .



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21 Nov 2019, 6:00 pm

Many autistic people are loners by nature. Many others are not. Based on all the posts I have read on WP. But I would say the lack of interest in socializing is an autism trait, whereas wanting to socialize is more of an NT type trait.

Your Aspie Quiz score of:

"Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 133 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 47 of 200"

Shows you have some NT traits though of course.

I just took it again for the fun of it.

Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 190 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 12 of 200



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