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16 Sep 2007, 6:19 am

Good morning peoples, just woke up and I still have eleven hours of Echoes echoing
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16 Sep 2007, 6:39 am

Just searching for thoughts:

While hiking yesterday I was ruminating on what might have been the most fundamental entity that advanced human thought.

At first I thought the freedom to think must have been the utmost prerequisite. Then thought no - freedom of thought exists in everyone at all times. One is always free to think inside his/her own head.

The thought then came to me that it is the ability to form rational thought itself.

Am I wrong, or missing something? Is something else more fundamental?

It seems to me we owe our advancement, our very thoughts themselves, and a debt of gratitude, to the environment we developed from, and the problems it contained. It seems to me that surviving the problems/competitors of our environment sparked our ability to form the first rational thought.

Then I thought that a fundamental essential within the environment itself is the fact that it is a changing and not static environment. We exist in a constant state of change.

Are the most fundamental entities change and competition?

Am I getting close? I seem to be moving in tangents.



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16 Sep 2007, 9:46 am

Drift Away
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16 Sep 2007, 10:01 am

richie wrote:
Good morning peoples, just woke up and I still have eleven hours of Echoes echoing
around in my head.

Ouch, Richie. That's the second time you've tried to get me to subscribe to that commercial site, when I thought you were talking about Echoes.

In the car, I was just listening to Tangerine Dream's Phaedra[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vP5uRz1lw[/youtube]


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16 Sep 2007, 10:58 am

Whoa. We have entered a new realm. There's no returning now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oylzsdb13NU



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16 Sep 2007, 11:13 am

Chuck wrote:

It seems to me we owe our advancement, our very thoughts themselves, and a debt of gratitude, to the environment we developed from, and the problems it contained. It seems to me that surviving the problems/competitors of our environment sparked our ability to form the first rational thought.

Then I thought that a fundamental essential within the environment itself is the fact that it is a changing and not static environment. We exist in a constant state of change.


Rational thought about survival has to come before survival. Adapting to change did drive thought as we moved from the constant life of the equator, with perhaps a wet and dry season, to a range of seasonal change. Change is becoming.

Rational thought, adapting to change, is standing naked in a foot of snow with more falling, and having a rational thought about boots, clothes, shelter, stored food. It comes a little late.

The ability to predict the outcome of change, cause and effect, telling the future in a vision, is what lead to survival in harsh climates. Only by living in a vision of the future was shelter, food, fuel gathered before it was needed. Becoming the future lead to survival.

Being able to invision the outcome of change, the future, and prepare to position yourself in an imaginary land, seems to be the key skill. The future is a story we tell, for better or worse, which moves us or not.

The future can be created by applied rational thought. Stay alive, gather the knowledge and materials.

The self story telling is not rational, It is a personal daydream. For most daydreaming is a waste of time, they live in the world dream. For a few it is a personal vision of a path with heart.

If you have a vision of your future, you will be drawn to it. It has a reality, so the universe will unfold to include that reality. The existance of thought alters the future.

Fifteen years ago I wanted to publish a book. It seemed impossible. What I wanted would have cost a lot. It was a world of Windows 3.1. slow inkjets, and WordPerfect. Seven years later the machines that could do it came out, for only $10,000. Four years later I had them.

My vision of the future drew them to me. It also drew knowledge that changed the book. The book wants to be published. It is an idea, a thought, formed and supported, fed, and it has a reality, a being.

I reached into the future, and sought, something took my hand and is drawing me toward a goal.

What we call rational thought, intelligence, is a thought form. Once brought into being they survive on their own. They have the power to change this material plane to make room for their coming.

Keep the door on the top of your head open.



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16 Sep 2007, 11:41 am

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Ouch, Richie. That's the second time you've tried to get me to subscribe to that commercial site, when I thought you were talking about Echoes.

I myself am not a subscriber I get it every Saturday night 9:00pm - 8:00am Sunday morning on my local NPR radio station, you can get Echoes
if you log onto the WITF page and sign up for streaming FM. As for Pink Floyd's "Echoes"
I heard an electronica version performed by Banco de Gaia, I'm not sure if it is on their "Farewell Ferengistan" or
"Last Train to Lhasa". That Tangerine Dream video reminds me of the "Qatsi" trilogy by Gottfried Reggio and Phillip Glass.



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16 Sep 2007, 11:45 am

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If you have a vision of your future, you will be drawn to it. It has a reality, so the universe will unfold to include that reality. The existance of thought alters the future.

Fifteen years ago I wanted to publish a book. It seemed impossible. What I wanted would have cost a lot. It was a world of Windows 3.1. slow inkjets, and WordPerfect. Seven years later the machines that could do it came out, for only $10,000. Four years later I had them.

My vision of the future drew them to me. It also drew knowledge that changed the book. The book wants to be published. It is an idea, a thought, formed and supported, fed, and it has a reality, a being.

I reached into the future, and sought, something took my hand and is drawing me toward a goal.


What we call rational thought, intelligence, is a thought form. Once brought into being they survive on their own. They have the power to change this material plane to make room for their coming.

Keep the door on the top of your head open.


I love your explanation! This whole section resonates in me - I have experienced it many times, but just thought I was either imagining it, or crazy. I feel the line I highlighted happening today. Sometimes I get an idea that is so solid it inevitability comes into existence.

Thank you inventor!
I always appreciate your thoughts.

Chuck



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16 Sep 2007, 11:46 am

Access to a protein source to enhance brain development probably didn't hurt the effort. A more carnivorous diet?



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16 Sep 2007, 11:59 am

When I was in grad school they used to assign us to write a five page (no more, no less) single-spaced paper on a topic, each week, in each class, on a topic that was drawn from three to five articles or a couple of books we'd have to have read for the assignment.

Very often I'd just do the readings, and then wait. I could not sit down and just write, although I believe many of my classmates did. They went through a mechanical process of searching through the material for their arguments, etc., and then built their papers like using Lincoln Logs or something. I would just wait, and put it all on a mental back burner to stew. I would not particularly think about any of the readings, but I'd know they were loaded in.

In a couple of days, I'd feel the need to write. It's kind of the same feeling as when I'm hungry or cold or thirsty, it's like a drive. And it won't leave me alone until I type something out. So I'd sit down and just write the five page papers front to back in one marathon session. The logic would be there, the argument or evidence points (although sometimes I'd have to later rearrange their order for a better flow in the piece) would be there. All I'd have to do was just start typing. They came out well.

I have to wonder how much of what we think is coming from the ether, or wherever, is actually information we've consciously or sub-consciously loaded into our "back burner" thought processor, where it's gurgled around until the timer that lets you know it's there goes off?

Woah, I need some coffee, I'm almost incoherent this morning.
Uh, good mornin' all. :oops:



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16 Sep 2007, 12:14 pm

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Nan wrote:
i thought i answered this, but it looks like i didn't.

was looking north of albany, actually, for a while. housing is cheaper outside Albany proper, it seems. i just need to be within striking distance of a university or community college, and have internet access. otherwise, i'd have to rent to "regular" people instead of university affiliates. much easier to deal with the latter.

there was a town, on the map it seems to be due west of Burlington, Vermont, that looked interesting. depends on where the kid wants to go to school - have to consider in-state tuition issues. then again, since it doesn't look like we're going this year (the original plan), she may just have to cough up the out-of-state no matter where she goes. she'll only have to do it for two years, anyway. suny albany was on the list, at one time. as was william and mary. as was some small college in PA.

what's a no-see-em? black flies i know, and i remember skeeters from jersey.


I was actually just screwing around with north of albany, there is a deserted Shaker Village there and I was going to suggest taking it over.

I was around a good deal of the state actually, but liked Bennington. Not sure about public transport, seems to me they did. School might be highbrow, dunno if they have a comm college or not. Loved Bennington, loved the State, but in Bennington if a pedestrian even hinted they were going to cross the street, the cars stopped no matter where they were. I was other places as well, The Wife and I were considering just packing it up and moving, but she wanted to be near the kids.

Jersey sqeeters got nothing on these. No seem-ums are so small they're hard to see, but you sure do feel the bite. A lot of nic names for them, punky's is one. It's really in the Adirondacks that I'm kidding about, you get in those woods and deet doesn't touch em. They swarm and I mean they're a cloud of a mix of all of them. There is a good reason no one lives there.



I think the town was Hoosick Falls or something. But it doesn't matter, really. Any place like that would do. Problem is waiting on the kid - she still has to re-apply and get accepted somewhere. She's been stalling, doesn't like change. Which I understand, that's a huge change. If she doesn't decide by the time it's time for us to move (i.e., the condo sells), I'll just pick a place I like and that we can afford, that meets the transportation and health criteria, has internet access and a library, and put our stuff in the U-Haul and just go.

Bugs, well, we don't go outside much so I guess they're not a huge issue for us.

I think we ~should~ take over the Shaker village, actually. That would be fun, even if it was only for a little while.



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16 Sep 2007, 12:37 pm

HEY! I took a bath and de-stinkified and everything. How come the thread's dead? :?



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16 Sep 2007, 1:06 pm

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HEY! I took a bath and de-stinkified and everything. How come the thread's dead? :?


It's not you - always good to see ya! And it's not personal!
A bunch of images and thoughts formed in my head this morning and I'm pencilin' them down ASAP so I won't lose them. Will be gone for a while 'til I'm done exploding. Will be back later - hope everyone has a great day! :D

I know I do that subconscious info gathering you describe. Suddenly -voila! :lol: How cool is that?!



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16 Sep 2007, 1:11 pm

Chuck wrote:
Nan wrote:
HEY! I took a bath and de-stinkified and everything. How come the thread's dead? :?


It's not you - always good to see ya! And it's not personal!
A bunch of images and thoughts formed in my head this morning and I'm pencilin' them down ASAP so I won't lose them. Will be gone for a while 'til I'm done exploding. Will be back later - hope everyone has a great day! :D

I know I do that subconscious info gathering you describe. Suddenly -voila! :lol: How cool is that?!


Threads are never personal. People seem to have developed lives... must be pretty weather everywhere. :lol:

And it'd be a lot cooler if I could figure a way to patent the process and rake in the royalties on it. :wink:



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16 Sep 2007, 3:57 pm

richie wrote:
Good morning peoples, just woke up and I still have eleven hours of Echoes echoing
around in my head.


I love that show!


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16 Sep 2007, 3:58 pm

lau wrote:
richie wrote:
Good morning peoples, just woke up and I still have eleven hours of Echoes echoing
around in my head.

Ouch, Richie. That's the second time you've tried to get me to subscribe to that commercial site, when I thought you were talking about Echoes.

In the car, I was just listening to Tangerine Dream's Phaedra[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vP5uRz1lw[/youtube]


I have a cassette tape of that somewhere...


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